My point is that from a contemporary, a depression starting from the Oct 29 
Stock Market Crash until June 1930 when Smoot Hawley became law, and the 
economic picture collapsed into the Great Depression, there was a enormous 
decline in both jobs and economic growth.  It like falling into a vast sinkhole 
and then celebrating one's half-way climb-out, that one may claim, "Ooh! Looky! 
We've had 8% growth, now only half of us are starving! Wonderful!" WW2 ended 
the Depression in the USA.
 
Kennedy did so so and was killed, which is the most important feature, not 
civil right. Johnson had a million males involved in Vietnam or NATO, and this 
out of the job market. Clinton I had previously mentioned, and Jimmy Carter was 
so weak and ineffective, that American elected Reagan in response. If we don't 
look at things in retrospect how can we compare & contrast? Are we to hold 
these people you like as sacrosanct? You will get an argument regarding Obama's 
economy and Trumps, because I lived through it and experienced it. 
On the Great Depression, you needn't argue with me, instead, consider the 
Library of 
Congress.https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/great-depression-and-world-war-ii-1929-1945/overview/


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On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:32 PM <[email protected]> wrote:


> I am saying what your statistic reflects is millions or men in the military, 
> plus million working in wartime factories.

And what I am saying is that however you try to explain it away the fact 
remains that under FDR the economy grew at an astonishing rate, over 8% a year. 
Come on Spud, you know that if FDR had been a Republican right now you would be 
screaming about his huge success as loud as you could, but he was a Democrat, 
he was not a member of your tribe so everything he did must be either stupid or 
evil or both. 

> If the New Deal was such a success,

Who said anything about the new deal.?  And what about the economic success 
during the Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton and Carter administrations? And what about 
the dismal economic performance during both Bush presidents and the even worst 
performance during Trump's administration? At least Truman had an excuse, he 
had to make the huge transition from a wartime  economy to a peacetime economy. 
 
> if FDR looked back and had his life to live over again, would he have started 
>a war against Adolf, defeat the nazis, and laid barriers against Stalin in 
>Eastern Europe, and blunted, or tried to bring in from the cold that Japanese? 
>Killing Hitler in 1934 would have changed the world. 

Talk about Monday morning quarterbacks! So now I guess FDR is to be blamed 
because he didn't have access to a crystal ball. Anybody can be a genius, in 
retrospect.   
> please keep your eye on the crazy employment numbers,

I don't think you'd really want me to keep my eye on the employment or rather 
the unemployment figures during the Trump administration. 

> but also inflation. 

And also Vikings, watch out for those damn Vikings!  
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolisn34

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