People who claim that a vaccination mandate, or masks,  constitute a threat 
for freedom are mocking those living in a genuine dictatorship and they 
have no ideas of what that means.

If they were serious they would be in the street since the prohibition of 
medication laws, which is something putting liars into power and which is 
really threatening freedom and democracy. 

In fact, not vaccinate oneself during a pandemic is about the same as not 
respecting the speed limit in a city. It is a quasi criminal act hat 
endangered the others, and sometimes kill some of them.

Vaccination is not a personal affair. Like limitation of speed, it is not 
so much to protect you from others, but to protect others from you.

It is not a coincidence that those against vaccination are very often 
siding with Trump, which is the real threat against freedom and democracy.

Bruno

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:38:56 AM UTC+2 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-5 stathisp wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 09:01, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The real problem is that vaccinated people will have delta-Cov-Sar2 in 
>>> them and they can pass it on to others. If everyone were vaccinated this 
>>> would not be much of a problem, and in fact might be just a bit of added 
>>> immune boosting. So we are now back to masking mandates, and I am going to 
>>> have to buy another box of them tomorrow. It is deja vu all over again. A 
>>> year ago we were in the same spot.
>>
>>
>> Ironically, vaccinated people will have to wear masks for the benefit of 
>> those who don’t believe in vaccination and perhaps not in masks either.
>>
>>
> Mask mandates are back on at work tomorrow. Indeed, now that the δ variant 
> is breakthrough, though asymptomatic for the vaccinated, we are back to 
> trying to "lower the curve" with masking. This was what came in force just 
> about a year ago. Oh well. I know which side of the fence I am glad to be 
> on. 
>
> LC
>  
>
>> LC
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought it might be useful to cut through some of the noise about 
>>>> breakthrough COVID-19 infections and give the latest statistics from the 
>>>> CDC. If you are fully vaccinated then you only have a 0.004% chance of 
>>>> becoming so ill from COVID-19 that you need to be hospitalized, and you 
>>>> have less than a 0.001% chance of dying from it. So these days if you do 
>>>> die of it you have no excuse and should be thoroughly embarrassed as well 
>>>> as being thoroughly dead; I'm certain your family will be embarrassed to 
>>>> admit that they're related to somebody who died from an advanced case of 
>>>> stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> Less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated Americans died after a Covid-19 
>>>> breakthrough case 
>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html>
>>>>
>>>> John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
>>>>
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