On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 8:09 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Pro-vaccine here, but am against vaxing an masks as some sort of loyalty
> oath
>

If you think it's OK for unvaccinated and unmasked people to get on an
airplane filled with 300 people, do you also think someone has a God-given
right to defecate in the aisle of that closed aluminum tube flying at
35,000 feet if they wish to?

 > *For a year the idea of covid being a naturally evolved germ was
> promoted solidly by the CDC, the WHO, and progressives that comprise the
> media and most governments. This is now looking doubtful with the rise of
> delta and now other variants*


How do you figure that? Life changes over generations, a fellow wrote a
bestseller about that in 1859 named Charles Darwin. A generation is only
about 20 minutes long for a virus so they change rapidly.  And COVID-19 is
a RNA virus which mutates more frequently than DNA viruses so they evolve
even faster. Although there are exceptions generally they become more
infectious but less deadly because a parasite killing its host is not a
good Evolutionary strategy.

> *From a new report from Nature. *
> *Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of
> vaccine-resistant strains*
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
>

If you hadn't given that link I would have because it says:

 "*As expected, we found that a fast rate of vaccination decreases the
probability of emergence of a resistant strain."*

*> Potentially we are now breeding resistance. Is this true?*
>

Yes, that has always been a danger, but the article points out there are
things that society can do to minimize that risk:

 "*Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical
interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population
have already been vaccinated the probability of emergence of a resistant
strain was greatly increased."*

In other words, filthy unhygienic unscientific unvaccinated people (nearly
all Trump supporters) put all of us, and the entire nation, and the entire
world, in danger. Not only is refusing to wear a mask even at the height of
the pandemic and now refusing to get vaccinated unethical, but much more
important than morality to a flag waiver like you, it's UNPATRIOTIC. 30% of
the population (mostly Republicans) refuse to get vaccinated, if they don't
change their minds then the days of the USA being a economic military and
scientific superpower are over. You can't have a first class nation if it's
anchored down by 30% of its population which is second rate.

> *The China origin thing,*
>

If we're talking about the pros and cons of vaccinations (actually there
aren't any cons) then the origin of the virus is irrelevant

* > Fauci's own decision to change his analysis from a 90% immunity
> percentile down to 75%, because he stated he "thought that the public
> couldn't take it," throws whatever people like him say, into reasonable
> doubt. *
>

Interesting factoid, I googled the phrase you quoted "thought that the
public couldn't take it", and I got exactly one hit, your post, that's it.
Bing did no better.

*> Fauci's connection with funding the Wuhan labs*


I don't know if the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the origin of
COVID-19 or not, it's conceivable an accident may have happened, but at
least publicly it was not doing anything that every other virus research
lab in the world, including those in the USA, wasn't doing. And as it was
one of the top virus research laboratories in the world and Dr. Fauci was
one of the top virus disease researchers in the world it would be
astonishing if you could NOT find a connection between him and the Wuhan
lab.  As for the funding, back in 2015 the national Institute of health
gave $3 million to a nonprofit called the "EcoHealth Alliance" to study
bat-borne coronaviruses, the EcoHealth Alliance then sent $76,000 to the
Wuhan lab as a subcontract. I don't see anything particularly sinister in
any of this, but I must say, attacks on Dr. Fauci for following the science
and not Trump's happy talk (the virus is totally under control) is
nauseating. Dr. Fauci has been risking his life by treating highly
infectious patients that have deadly diseases for decades, can you imagine
Donald Trump caring for an Ebola patient? He'd be running away as fast as
his fat little legs could carry him.

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
lxxo

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