One case is not a statistics. Many studies have been done. During the high (which last about 4h) the impairment is obvious, and people are much slow, although some show more patience for some task. That is my experience too, I have never succeed to program in machine-language without cannabis. Actually, I needed a long treatment to come back to mathematics after some events which disputed me from the whole subject. This means also that the role of cannabis is very dependent of the mindset of the consumer. I have needed it also to pay my taxes (you needed a lot of patience to accomplish that task some years ago, but it is coller now). You can find some video where scientists confess to have made their discovery "under influence" (mostly cannabis, but also LSD, mushrooms, etc.). The studies are less clear for the car driving. I have seen two studies which shows that the use of cannabis diminishes the number of accidents. the explanation was that young driver-smoker did not even dare to drive their car, when they succeed opening the door, and that is the quite opposite phenomenon than with alcohol, which gives a wrong feeling of self-assurance where cannabis rather induce some paranoïa, and old smoker-driver seems to succeed much better complex car and truck testing, but I found some studies which do not corroborate this, so more studies are needed. Here the main problem is that the "schedule 1" classification does not even allow the research unless it can be use to add to the demonisation. It is a scandal that the discovery that cannabis shrink mice brain tumour has been hide from 1974, until a team in Spain rediscovered it, and show it works in vitro for human cells too. Since then there are thousand of papers, but the schedule one makes still hard to publish the paper. We know also that some drug, like heroin, becomes the best medication to quit them, once they are legal and medically prescribed with low price. Anyway, prohibition is nonsensical, except for stealing money (and health in passing). my position on this is well sum up by ... the founders of USA:
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln. "If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who lives under Tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson The deeper problem is our tolerance of BS in the whole "human domain", which comes from the separation of theology from science, allowing its (mis)use in "politics". This trains people in believing in argument per authority, and obeying to tyrants. We will leave the Middle-Age when theology is back in science, i.e. back to doubt, theories and experimentation (like I illustrate directly with the canonical theology of the universal+ (Löbian) machine (the universal machine which is aware of its Turing universality, like PA or ZF, ...). Unfortunately, we continue to regress on this, and I am rather worry how it has been possible to let someone like Trump banalising racism and nazism so much. In my country, despite it is illegal to go in public with a nazi flag, or to harbour the swastika, some carnival have shown how much antisemitism is banalised and tolerated. That stinks, and show we have not learned the lesson of WWII (which is not finished in the Middle-East, also). And then the climate change, which might be a consequence of prohibition, as the first industrial car producers asked right at the start why to use petrol, which change irreversibly the atmosphere instead of Hemp (and other plants) which do not. Prohibition is a trick used by racists (to imprison foreigners arbitrarily, or black people) and those who destroy capitalism by making the free-market into a market driven by crime (and confused then with capitalism). Let us hope we manage to avoid genocides, but after Rwanda I have some doubt we will succeed. Hard period for the good willing truth researchers... Also, math and music are very well related. Some consider mathematics as silent music. Maybe Bob Marley's music would not be that cool without the ganga. How could we know that :) Bruno On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 9:39:02 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote: > Hey, if cannabis helped me in understanding and remembering mathematical > patterns and operators, I would have rocked the ganj, years ago. Your > observation is that ganja doesn't impair mathematical capabilities. I > wonder if one is a mathematical talent such as yourself, are instead > impervious to THC's effects? On the other hand, if ganja was efficacious in > promoting math skills should not have Bob Marley excelled at math > references in his music? > > "Markov Chains, > We Gonna Be all right! > > Triple Integrals, > We be Jamm'in in the name of Plato! > > Irae Mon! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: Everything List <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2021 7:47 am > Subject: Re: Hitler against Godel's Theorem > > Nobody says that cannabis is not harmful, but it remains far less harmful > than alcohol, especially during a pandemic. And cannabis is a *very* > efficacious medication for a large spectrum if disease, which does not mean > that it has not some secondary indesirable effects. > Then the worst is prohibition, as it multiply a lot the danger of any > medication having a potential danger. > I am not convinced by the Lancet papers, as it contradicts all the > examples I have seen as a teacher of mathematics, where I have thought > myself that student smoking cannabis get bad results in mathematics until I > change my own attitude toward them. The problem is that cannabis is used by > some as a way to explain away their difficulties at school, but when we > stop playing that game with them, I arrive at the opposite conclusion: it > helps the student. I wrote a paper on this for a newspaper, a long time ago > (1980s) which, of course, refuses to publish it as it could be seen as > apology for drugs, which is illegal in my country. The very illegality of a > substance damages all the information we can have on that substance. > > On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:42:54 PM UTC+2 [email protected] > wrote: > > Cannabis impares all cognitive functions. (And have a painkiller effect > comparable to paracetamol. ) > https://www.newser.com/story/205310/studying-math-dont-smoke-marijuana.html > You can download the article as pdf from the newser article. > There is no problems finding more examples. Interestingly, or maybe not, > experienced users are less affected from an acute dose (spliff) than > untrained users. > So if you are using, you don't get stupider than you are already. > https://www.nature.com/articles/1395716 > Appart from getting rather slow you also have a serious chance of > triggering a psychosis, especially if you get the good strong stuff. > > https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(19)30048-3/fulltext > > If you doubt academic evidence, try writing an exam after a spliff and see > for your self. Don't do it for any important exam though. A demanding > cognitive computer game can serve the same function. > > Alcohol impares cognitive functions. > Methylxantines, theobromine (chocolate) teofylline (tea) coffeine (coffee) > all improve cognitive functions. > Adrenaline improve, sugar improve. > Low dose amfetamines are probably good but high dose not so much and low > to high is razorthin when you need math. If you only have to run around > with a machine gun, you have a much better dose interval. So amfetamines > are popular in the army, not so much in the university world. Can have a > place if you have ADHD tendency. > /Henrik > > > > Den ons 28 juli 2021 15:13Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> skrev: > > It is the first time I hear that cannabis impairs the mathematical > abilities. You might give reference, and I hope it contains a comparison > with chocolate, alcohol, etc. Without such comparison, anyone can find that > anything impair mathematical (or whatever) studies, but usually such > studies are not quite serious, or just pretext to not study. If you like > mathematics, there is some chance that cannabis will help, and if you don't > like mathematics, there is a lot of chance cannabis will *not* help. > The question if consciousness requires material substrate is not a > question of liking this or not. If Indexical Digital Mechanism is assumed, > there is simply no choice: the material appearances must be explained > without invoking any ontological commitment. > We need to separate truth from what we want. It usually does not match > easily. It is the separation of theology from science which makes people > believe that the religious truth is a matter of choice. This is eventually > used by people who want to freeze the field for their special interest. The > god/non-god debate is a trick by materialist (believer in some fundamental > substance) to make us forget that the original questions in theology was > about the existence of a primary physical universe. To simplify, the > question was should we invest in mathematics or in physics when we search > the simplest ontology capable of explains all facts, or as much as possible > facts? > > Bruno > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 10:21:41 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote: > > My only concern about cannabis is the study that it did impair > mathematical abilities. That is about it for me. In a few areas of the US, > legal cannabis has been permitted. Which doesn't stop the thugsters from > selling it illegally, under price. That is a social issue and not a medical > one. On whether consciousness requires a material substrate, I have no > preference, because honestly it is not up to me. It's the universe, I just > work here. On the other hand I do hold with the idea of taking whatever > advantage, even neuro-chemical, of the knowledge of anything the facts > provides? The Beyond 1492 project likely needs funding, and I suspect that > computer science, eventually, will provide for such a adaptation. My > feeling is we don't need more religions to benefit us, but instead mental > apps based on whatever facts we can uncover, be it flesh or spirit? > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b9560e03-ece2-4448-829f-c4d632523baan%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b9560e03-ece2-4448-829f-c4d632523baan%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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