I would say that the Tuskegee experiment was indeed akin to Unit 731 & Dachau, because it didn't care whether the sufferers live or died. On problem solving I always deliberately race to technology as the first and foremost solution to most problems. It is not always this way, but I'd bet that it often is the best. Since we are both technologically inclined one of the issues we may be facing soon is mass unemployment due to the old term, automation. Andrew Yang's fix for this was guaranteed income. Rather than just print money which leads to hyperinflation, we will need to, at least, drive down the costs of manufacturing. The costs of manufacturing besides wages have been heat and electricity mostly. We could hugely expand solar and wind-a-sea, as the lowest cost method's of generating electricity directly, or water splitting in the form of hydrogen, combined with batteries and fuel cells respectively. Siemens has built a gas turbine that burns only H2 rather than methane, additionally. Last we need materials that are cheap to produce and process. Materials that will substitute for plastics and leather. For this we now have algae, mushrooms, and crop and forest harvesting. One can throw in hemp as well. I buy plates made from palm leaves at Whole Earth. These are from India. The paper plates they sell are from China (Xi-land) so I get the palm plates, I like the feel, much sturdier. I am more virtuous for doing this? Hell no. The same is true about plastics from algae, and packing materials from shrooms. Please note, that even rednecks like solar power and batteries, especially for off the grid living. This is a marketing fact. Still, costs must come down to become dominant.
-----Original Message----- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2021 6:06 pm Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid On 9/30/2021 2:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: What you have stated is absolutely true. The Tuskegee "experiment" is 100% historical fact. It is akin to the Nazis at Dachau, and also the Japanese Unit 731 on the Yang Tze. No it was not akin to those programs whose explicit purpose was to kill the subjects. The Tuskegee experiment was begun at a time when there was no effective treatment, but some questionable ones. The experiment was to study whether people who got no treatment actually fared worse that those given the questionable ones. So the subjects were not given the "cures" but were otherwise cared for. They did as well as people treated with so-called cures. So up until 1947 the experiment wasn't harming anyone...although it was unethical. After 1947 antibiotics were available and were effective in treating syphillis and so the continuation of the experiment was harming the subjects...but not deliberately killing them. Trump did operation warp speed which was basically what is called The Wattenberg Method. The Wattenberg Method is simply as he stated which was, "Throw enough money and capital at a problem." Capital also so means STEM people. Trump was Booed at a rally or rallies, so yeah he backed off. Undeniable. Now getting back to problem solving, let us focus medical research for certain, but also, if you want to remediate climate change for example, why not spend that "Infrastructure" cash on technology. Like solar power and batteries and other things. We won't save the earth on wishes and dreams. Viva materialism. Why not solve more than one problem at a time? That's what it takes to survive in the world. Brent -----Original Message----- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 8:55 pm Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Red Covid Blacks have some historically justified suspicion of "the man" because of things like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, and the Trumpists have fed the general suspicion of vaccines. Which is ironic since Trump would like to take credit for Operation Warp Speed producing a new vaccine in record time (although he had little to do with it). But he was booed at one of his rallies when he suggested it would be good to get vaccinated, and he quickly backed away from it. Brent On 9/29/2021 5:06 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Heh! These must be life long Trump voters, JC? Black L.A. residents have highest COVID hospitalization rate: ‘A deplorable reality’ https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-25/black-residents-have-highest-covid-hospitalizations-in-l-a Hey! Wait a minute. I'm deplorable too. But JC you'll be pleased to know that your progressive policies now spawn free enterprise. Black market for fake vaccination cards is booming https://www.boston25news.com/news/health/black-market-fake-vaccination-cards-is-booming/5ZUE3BU3HFBS7I3TRSY3QDQNTY/ And, Racial Disparities Exist Among Children Due to COVID-19, Report Shows https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2021-09-24/racial-disparities-exist-among-children-due-to-covid-19-report-shows Do you think the "Trump voters" frightened off this last category of citizens cuz racism trumpy-style? I mean I realize liberals already know that nonwhites cant think for themselves, right? Or possibly these people may just have another reason? "Hospitalization trends were also higher for AIAN, Black and Hispanic children, who are more likely to have multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C). They were two to three times as likely to be hospitalized as a result of COVID-19 than other groups." I know, no excuses for those that must be trump voters or witches (Almost Halloween!), and lacking faith in the dems who are now all progressivies is an unforgivable sin. I think they must simply all misunderstand the great genius of comrade Joe. Yeah, that's the ticket. -----Original Message----- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 6:37 am Subject: NYTimes.com: Red Covid From The New York Times: Yet more evidence Trump supporters are STUPID. "In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000." 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