On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 5:57 AM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote:

> On 12-05-2022 01:36, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 9:24 AM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11-05-2022 07:30, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >>> Who proved that the universe was finite?
> >>
> >> If it's infinite, one can focus on only the visible part of it.
> >
> > The visible part is only locally defined -- go to the edge and there
> > is another, larger, region.
> >
>
> Yes, but in the end this doesn't really matter due to there only being
> local interactions. After a finite time any finite system can only
> interact with a finite number of degrees of freedom in its environment.
>

But that does not mean that variables are discrete rather than continuous.

> >>>> If there are only a finite number of states the entire universe can
> >>>> be in, then that's also true for observers.
> >>>
> >>> That simply begs the question.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Finite or infinite universe, observers are always finite.
> >
> > The universe itself is not defined by observers.
>
>
> The state of the observer can then factor out of the branches the
> universe is in.
>

That is just a meaningless contention. The state of the observer, or what
the observer is aware of, or can or cannot factor out, is irrelevant to the
universe. Reality is not defined by observers.

Bruce

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