That's encouraging. Thanks for telling me. I heard a claim, not sure if it's true, but that in China people pay their doctor for every month that they are healthy.
Makes sense to me. 🙂 Jason On Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 10:14 AM Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jason, > > One encouraging innovation that is beginning to pick up steam is > subscription-based health care, and insurance companies are starting to > come on board. You pay a monthly fee and get unlimited access to your > primary-care doctor. It's a huge improvement because the incentives are > much better aligned - in this model, the doctor's office is incentivized to > keep people *out* of the office. In the existing model it's the opposite. > > Terren > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The graph begins to make a little more sense if one replaces the term >> "healthcare" with a more reality-representing term: "sickcare". >> >> Healthy people don't need to spend a lot of money on their health. >> >> This doesn't explain it all, but the relationship begins to become more >> intuitive when viewed this way: an unhealthy (but wealthy enough to spend a >> lot of money) population will spend more on sickcare, and will have worse >> health outcomes than healthier populations. >> >> The US is one of the most obese nations on this chart. I recall reading >> some statistic that said if we returned to 1975 obesity levels we could >> reduce government health spending by 400 billion annually. >> >> Of course obesity is just one aspect of many that might lead to poor >> health and shorter life expectancy in the US. (Insufficient preventative >> care, subsidized cheap and unhealthy foods, high stress jobs with little >> vacation, the opioid epidemic, prevalence of dysfunctional schools, etc.) >> >> And all this is before exploring any of the many reasons we pay high >> costs for the sickcare we get (rationing of licensed doctors and treatment >> facilities, prohibitions on reimporting cheaply exported drugs, >> administrative and insurance overheads, lack of price transparency, >> emergency rooms as default care facilities for those who can't afford >> doctor appointments, medical malpractice insurance and high rates of >> lawsuits, multi-billion dollar cost of new drug development, etc.) >> >> A lot has to be fixed. Unfortunately, the root of the problem may stem >> from a misalignment of objectives. In the same way private prisons work to >> incarcerate more prisoners, for-profit sickcare is discouraged from working >> towards a healthier population (which doesn't need as much of their >> services). If we could design a reward system where the decision makers in >> power were rewarded based on the health and well-being of the population as >> a whole, I think things would look very different. >> >> Jason >> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 8:45 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Terren, >>> >>> You are right, I know that. I have the impression that a bad health >>> situation can ruin people in the US. I have heard of stories of people >>> refusing to call an ambulance after a serious accident, for fear of the >>> bill. I think that another country were this is the case is South Korea. A >>> colleague told me that it is common there for people there to invest in a >>> second home, to use it to pay for the health bill in case they get cancer >>> or something serious like that. >>> >>> I guess what perplexes is that people seem to be more or less ok with >>> this, when there is overwhelming evidence that a better systems is possible. >>> >>> Telmo >>> >>> Am Do, 14. Jul 2022, um 14:34, schrieb Terren Suydam: >>> >>> Hi Telmo, >>> >>> I’d want to know how they adjust for price differences between >>> countries, as that could be a subtle way to introduce bias. But as an >>> American and assuming the above is kosher, it doesn’t surprise me at all. >>> Health care here is a worst case scenario. It’s the result of decades of >>> anti competitive practices and perverse incentives. 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