Physicist Sabine Hossenfelder also has a very nuanced view on mind and all that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP5zGh2fui0
She indicates that there is something akin to thought, IF I understand her? -----Original Message----- From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 12:45 am Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky An operational test for intelligence requires that ability to act in the world to achieve goals. LLM's are intelligent in that they act to satisfy prompts. If you went to the beach and you said to a crab, "Write in the sand a short poem about waves." and the crab scratched out: Born of wind and earth's embrace an ocean's memory of storms beyond the horizon its undulating information uselessly inscribed in the meandering sand finds voice at last its fall a sigh a single syllable of surf You'd think the crab was pretty smart. An LLM could do that. The only reason for us thinking it is not intelligent is that we know how the LLM does it. When I first took a class in AI fifty years ago at UCLA. The Professor explained that the definition of intelligence was "whatever computers can't do yet." Brent On 3/12/2023 9:29 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Does it really display intelligent behavior, and now you will need to define intelligent behavior with testable parameters. Do humans display intelligent behavior? How often, and how consistently? Many say crows do. This was part of my reason in hectoring JC on this. A neurobiologist tells, via research how parts of the human brain behave, and thus produce intelligence and (non-philosophically) consciousness. What part of the server farm enacts the illusion (I think) of intelligence? -----Original Message----- From: Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2023 9:29 pm Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 12:18, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 8:57 PM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 04:12, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> wrote: Remember no matter haw complex an algorithm it is ultimately a lot of Boolean switching acting on what ever data is dumped into it. That means that if the entity displays intelligent behaviour, Boolean switching acting on whatever data is dumped into it can generate intelligent behaviour. Boolean logic gates (and, or, not) are universal. There's no finitely describable behavior that can't be replicated by the repeated application of boolean logic gates paired with a memory. Yes. But more generally, even from a position of ignorance, if you don’t believe that something made from electrical circuitry (or whatever) can display intelligent behaviour, and something made from electrical circuitry does in fact display intelligent behaviour, that means you were wrong. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAH%3D2ypXZLOOeKndehY1w3iseRPbrbF1HGG1dAk9rDh%3DvOtfVFA%40mail.gmail.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/922538855.1640289.1678681763911%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a38a6774-b5db-b940-d232-1d7f7aa5df3a%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1177053333.1625259.1678683006747%40mail.yahoo.com.
