On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:55 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > Would it be more accurate to think that unless something is driven by > need, as in an amygdala, it is not alive. This may be a different question > than is it intelligent, is it conscious? >
I think that's a reasonable definition of life. Even if the need is just the need to exist and persist, which is the root need on which evolutionary forces work. > I still need to know how it became conscious when just using chips and > data? Would this then favor a pantheist point of view, or even > panentheistic one? > Can you think without being conscious, can you understand without being conscious, can you perceive without being conscious, can you feel with being conscious, can you know without being conscious? Unless you answered 'yes' to all these questions, there are some behaviors and functions which necessitate consciousness. If we reproduce such functions in a machine then we have made a conscious machine. Jason > Me don't know? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> > To: Everything List <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 12:36 am > Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky > > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:29 AM spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Does it really display intelligent behavior, and now you will need to > define intelligent behavior with testable parameters. Do humans display > intelligent behavior? How often, and how consistently? Many say crows do. > > This was part of my reason in hectoring JC on this. A neurobiologist > tells, via research how parts of the human brain behave, and thus produce > intelligence and (non-philosophically) consciousness. What part of the > server farm enacts the illusion (I think) of intelligence? > > > https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/#What_is_Intelligence > > According to the agent-environment interaction model of intelligence, > something is intelligent if it: > > “perceives its environment and interacts with it in a manner consistent > with achieving a goal.” > > This definition captures the full spectrum of intelligent behavior, > regardless of how simple or complex it is. It includes creatures from worms > to humans, and machines from thermostats to chess playing AIs. > > Jason > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2023 9:29 pm > Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky > > > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 12:18, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 8:57 PM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 04:12, Lawrence Crowell < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Remember no matter haw complex an algorithm it is ultimately a lot of > Boolean switching acting on what ever data is dumped into it. > > > That means that if the entity displays intelligent behaviour, Boolean > switching acting on whatever data is dumped into it can generate > intelligent behaviour. > > > Boolean logic gates (and, or, not) are universal. There's no finitely > describable behavior that can't be replicated by the repeated application > of boolean logic gates paired with a memory. > > > Yes. 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