On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simulation (let's say for the sake of a >> thought experiment we were able to replicate every neural connection of a >> human being in code, including the connectomes, and neurotransmitters, >> along with a simulated nerve that was connected to a button on the desk we >> could press which would simulate the signal sent when a biological pain >> receptor is triggered) would feel pain that is just as real as the pain you >> and I feel as biological organisms. >> > > This follows from the physicalist no-zombies-possible stance. But it still > runs into the hard problem, basically. How does stuff give rise to > experience. > > I would say stuff doesn't give rise to conscious experience. Conscious experience is the logically necessary and required state of knowledge that is present in any consciousness-necessitating behaviors. If you design a simple robot with a camera and robot arm that is able to reliably catch a ball thrown in its general direction, then something in that system *must* contain knowledge of the ball's relative position and trajectory. It simply isn't logically possible to have a system that behaves in all situations as if it knows where the ball is, without knowing where the ball is. Consciousness is simply the state of being with knowledge. Con- "Latin for with" -Scious- "Latin for knowledge" -ness "English suffix meaning the state of being X" Consciousness -> The state of being with knowledge. There is an infinite variety of potential states and levels of knowledge, and this contributes to much of the confusion, but boiled down to the simplest essence of what is or isn't conscious, it is all about knowledge states. Knowledge states require activity/reactivity to the presence of information, and counterfactual behaviors (if/then, greater than less than, discriminations and comparisons that lead to different downstream consequences in a system's behavior). At least, this is my theory of consciousness. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUj8F0xkGD7Pe82R_FsLzGO51Z4cgN6J71Er_F5ptMo3EA%40mail.gmail.com.
