On 3/23/2024 11:41 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 7:09 AM Giulio Prisco <[email protected]> wrote:

    ><...billions of stars are radiating all their energy uselessly
    intonfinite space....>

    /> "Billions do, but perhaps millions (or thousands) don't."/


I could explain the existence of noDyson spheresin the Milky Way, and I could explain the existence of many billions, but I could not explain the existence of just a few thousand; the idea that we just happen to exist during the tiny sliver of time in which that would be the case seems too improbable to consider.

    /> They aretalking of Tabby's star./..


I think dust could explaintheTabby starobservations much better and certainly more simply than ET can. It's mind boggling to suppose that we are alone in the universe, and it's mind boggling to suppose that we are not, but one of those things must be true, and I think one of them is significantly more likely than the other.

    /> "They could extract energy from the quantum vacuum (zero point
    field
    and all that). Perhaps their astroengineering consists of giant
    utility fogs that fill entire stellar systems and condensate to do
    things where and when needed. Perhaps they have left matter as we know
    behind and live as blobs of thinking quantum fields" /


And perhaps a simpler explanation is thatET does not exist because we are the first,after all the observable universe is finite in both space and time so somebody's got to be first.

It's simpler to suppose that all technological civilizations that could beam EM signals out hundreds of light years (which we can't yet) are more than hundreds of light years apart and having reached that same conclusion decided to pursue knowledge by other means.

Brent

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hwk








    <...the galaxy WILL be engineered in the near future, by that I mean
    in less than 50 million years.>

    I think so, too!


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