On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 9:28:37 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 10/17/2024 7:35 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 4:43:31 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/17/2024 7:16 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: *Another claim. The only thing lacking is a proof. Moreover, you're factually mistaken. There IS an apparent paradox without FTL. The paradox is how can Bob and Alice see the other's clock running slower. AG* That's not a paradox and was only so named because it confounded Newtonian intuition. *I wrote APPARENT PARADOX. Best to read carefully before throwing stones. AG* If you plot the ticking of two moving clocks along their worldlines and then Lorentz transform your diagram you seem that it is inevitable that each sees the other's clock as running slow. *Yes, that's REALLY obvious. Let me say it again. What you write above is OBVIOUS. And in fact one doesn't need worldlines to see that once one knows that in SR a moving clock appears to run at a slower rate compared to the clock rate of a stationary observer. HOWEVER, it surely appears inherently contradictory if two observers moving in opposite directions, pass by each other, and each views the other's clock as running slower. This is the issue I'd like to resolve, but don't know how. So I ask the "experts", some of whom might reside on this MB, and often suffer undeserved mockery when my question goes over their heads (since they can't distinguish what they know, from what they don't know). AG* What irritates me is you are full demands for proof, but never do the work to prove something to yourself. *Like I just wrote, I have no clue how to prove what I want to understand, and now I see you have no clue what the/my problem is. AG* You do have a clue. In fact you have a recipe, as I posted above, "... plot the ticking of two moving clocks along their worldlines and then Lorentz transform your diagram." Brent *I do? But you state above that " ... you [will} see that it is inevitable that each sees the other's clock as running slow." This I already know. Later today I'll explain my problem with this issue. AG* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f461abbc-ff99-4c2e-8f52-d4c5112c7b9dn%40googlegroups.com.
