Ed(s), Thanks for setting me straight. I will ensure that the correct references are used when quoting "Ed".
As for the 'u' in behavioural - sorry, that's an Aussie spelling thing. themolk. On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:11:17 -0800, Ed Crowley [MVP] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed Ed would say that about PSTs. Ed coined it. Ed Woodrick, that is. > I did indeed coin the last one, except for the u in behavioural. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve > Molkentin > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:56 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: PSTs keep on getting corrupted > > Charlie, > > As the list guru Ed would say, PST = BAD. > > OK, whether you knew that or not, it doesn't hurt to be reminded. From what > you detail, it almost seems you answer your own question as to what do you > do... > > PSTs are rarely a good solution. That you are opting to use them means that > you accept the added difficulties (like the ones you are facing > now) of storing/retrieving data kept in them. The limitations of PSTs are > many... including the backing up issue from local drives, size, etc, etc, > etc. > > Are you using Outlook 2003? The Cached Exchange mode is a huge benefit of > that. > > Not to be too difficult, but to quote Ed again - there are seldom good > technological solutions to behavioural problems. > > themolk. > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:17:06 -0800, Charlie Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > We've fought this for years. There are always a few people in an > > organization that absolutely need long-term mail storage. C*O, product > > managers, etc. They're almost all laptop users, too. Since keeping 3 > > gig mailboxes for them isn't really an option, and much of it is > > archive anyway, I've developed a least-obnoxious strategy that seems > > to work moderately well. > > I give them large mailboxes; let's say up to a gig (normal limit is > > about 250mb). We then create local PSTs* for them, and train them to > > keep them relatively small (under 500mb). They may have 5 or 6 of them > > in order to keep the PSTs small enough. I usually let people build > > large PSTs, although I explain the hard limits on them and why they > > should be kept smaller. They hit the 2 gig limit and lose it all one time. > Sorry. > > It's gone, pal. Better luck next time. The savvy ones get > > autoarchiving set up to the appropriate PSTs too. > > We also teach them to keep them separated by year, so a set of 2003 > > PSTs will be separate from a set of 2004 PSTs. Once they're on-board > > with this program (it's either this or "delete a bunch of your mail, > > sparky"), we then write a small script that they can execute from > > their desktop that will copy the PSTs to their file server home > > folder. They are told to run that perhaps once a week if they make > > changes to the PSTs. That keeps a copy of the PST on the server, where > > it is backed up regularly. If their laptop smokes, we can recover the > > vast majority of the mail in the PST. > > Once they are no longer using the PST on a regular basis (for example, > > the 2003 archives), we will disconnect the PSTs from OL, burn them to > > CDs, and store. I make sure they're included in an end-of-month backup > > that is stored offsite indefinitely, and then whack them from the > > server to save space/backup. If they ever need it again, we copy them > > off the CD to the laptop and remove the RO attribute. > > It's a kludgy system, but it works on several levels. One, it > > preserves the mail. Two, it puts a significant percentage of the pain > > back on the end user, which encourages them to manage their mail more > effectively. > > Much of the mail that is saved at the time ends up getting deleted > > later on, shrinking the PST by half or more. "Why did I save THAT?" > > Three, it reduces the size of OSTs on the laptops and the potential > > for corruption when mailboxes start getting huge. > > Not perfect, but it has worked for me for many years. If you can > > structure your mail system to eliminate PSTs, all the better. But > > reality sometimes interferes with good system design. :-) > > > > * We don't run the PSTs from the server; too many issues with that. It > > usually works, but when it doesn't, it's a real headache. Plus, not > > supported. :-) > > > > > > ********************** > > Charlie Kaiser > > MCSE, CCNA > > Systems Engineer > > Essex Credit / Brickwalk > > 510 595 5083 > > ********************** > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > Vivino, David > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:37 AM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: PSTs keep on getting corrupted > > > > > > Seems there is a contradiction here. We don't want mailboxes to get > > > too large so we have folks archiving their Outlook data. MS > > > explains how to do it at > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;290847. > > > The link posted earlier in this thread indicates MS doesn't support > > > .pst on network drives. So what do we do to ensure the data is > > > backed up properly? Buy everyone a copy of Backup Exec? I think > > > not! 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