I would consider your system as "someone else" too. But setting that all aside for now, what is the real concern having your email relayed thru a third party? They don't store the legitimate email, just the quarantined stuff.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Skrotzki Posted At: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:42 PM Posted To: Exchange Mailing List Conversation: Spam Appliance Suggestions Subject: RE: Spam Appliance Suggestions In theory it's possible and happens many times but not always. We have a static IP block and reverse DNS so can setup a mail server without issue. I can then send directly to you and since we don't forward to a relay point it should go to you directly assuming you don't go down and have a backup server defined. Many small businesses using Cable or DSL can get into trouble if they don't smart forward to the providers smtp relay. So in those cases yes there is somebody they go through. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Brasslett Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Spam Appliance Suggestions Funny you should say "I think there would be some concerns in our organization about mail going through someone else" because that is exactly what senior management said here when we were considering Postini. I have never understood the concern... Besides, doesn't all inbound email "go through someone else"? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mayo, Bill Posted At: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:51 AM Posted To: Exchange Mailing List Conversation: Spam Appliance Suggestions Subject: Re: Spam Appliance Suggestions Thanks to John and everyone else for the great discussion. We are presently using MailEssentials, and it is not effective at all for us. The other big problem with it is that all the mail still comes into the Exchange store, which is bloated immensely as a result (like most, a very high percentage of our external mail is spam). I don't discount the notion of a hosted service offhand, but I think there would be some concerns in our organization about mail going through someone else. The appliances are attractive because it has the advantage of centralized management by the provider, but the mail is not being routed by an outside entity. Also, most of the appliances don't have a per user charge. The info on Barracuda is interesting, because that was looking like an attractive option in my research (I have been looking at info on the appliances listed at http://www.spamhelp.org/appliances/). In regards to IronPort, it appears to be available from multiple places (Secure Computing, CipherTrust, etc)...is there any difference based on from where you purchase? Also, I didn't see any pricing info available (without contacting sales). Do you know if the pricing is roughly equivalent to the Barracuda? Bill Mayo Pitt County MIS -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Spam Appliance Suggestions From: John B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 05:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 2 Bill, I've been working in the message practice for over 10 years. The only product that I've found to be worth anything is Ironport C-series. It's an appliance that sits on the edge and handles all AV/SPAM filtering for you. The last company I was consulting for had a Barracuda which wasn't do a good job and people were complaining left and right about SPAM coming through. I even had two of their Sr. SE's look over our configuration to make sure we didn't do anything wrong setting it up. Everything checked out fine but the SPAM was still coming in at an alarming rate. So we dropped an Ironport into their environment and the SPAM disappeared and everyone was happy. I would highly recommend the Ironport solution because for one you don't have spend everyday you walk in babysitting the product and even if you want to get really tricky with the product you have that level of granularity that will allow you to do so. I've been running these appliances for a good while now, so if you have any questions please feel free to contact me. ________________ John Bowles ----- Original Message ---- From: "Mayo, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Exchange Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 4:05:08 PM Subject: Spam Appliance Suggestions We are looking to implement an anti-spam appliance. We need something that is mostly hands-off as we have limited staff. I am trying to compile a list of possible alternatives and was hoping you kind folks might be willing to share your suggestions or experiences. 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