> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:26 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: It's not Microsoft's fault because....
> 
> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Roger Seielstad wrote:
> > Most customers who have used MS OSs since the DOS days, not 
> to mention 
> > those exposed to *nix, like the ability to script just about any 
> > change to the OS ...
> 
>   The issue is not scripting per se, but the fact that MS 
> Outlook and MSIE have a long history of just running whatever 
> the other guy sends to you, without regard for the fact that 
> it may be harmful to your computer.
> 
> > Do you think Microsoft pulls these features out of their nether 
> > regions?
> 
>   How else do you explain that damn paperclip?  ;-)

The paper clip was quite popular when it first came out. If it wouldn't
show up every 2.85 seconds in Windows, it wouldn't be hated the way it
is now.

> 
> > So, you're not aware of the fact that with about 30 seconds 
> worth of 
> > work (literally), you could write a script that would alleviate all 
> > these scripting vulnerabilities on all your machines?
> 
>   Why should *I* have to clean up after *Microsoft's* 
> mistakes?  I paid good money for their software; it is 
> unreasonable to expect it to be secure in the default configuration?

If you have been working with Microsoft's software for any amount of
time over a week you should know that their software is open until
closed, where as most other applications and operating systems are
closed until open.

You do NOT have any type of access to a *nix box unless given permission
to. Same with Novell. Micrsoft on the other hand gives you full blown
rights to just about everything out of the box.

It has always been that way, this is nothing new.

> 
> > Again, the onus here rests on the Administrator ...
> 
>   What about the millions of home users who don't know even 
> know how to spell VBS?

That ths advantage of Windows. You don't need to spell VBS, it adds it
for you and the user will never see it unless they take the time to
change that setting.

> 
>   The estimates I hear state that viruses and worms due to 
> poor design on Microsoft's part cost billions of dollars per 
> year.  Don't you think billions of dollars is a bit much?

So you did hear about the customers that complained about MS security. I
thought you were unaware of anyone that complained about MS software
being vulnerable. Hmmmmmmm......

No I don't think that is a lot of money considering how large of a
penetration Outlook has in the Corp. world. The amount of bandwidth
consumed from all the emails, the crashed mail servers, support costs.
That really isnt a lot of money in the big scheme of things.

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