Understandable...  

I perform migrations both ways, it really depends on the scenario involved,
but I see where you're going with this.

D

"A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks
that others throw at him." -David Brink

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Seigler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:23 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


Ok, let me ellaborate on this a little bit.

I work in PSS, in a group close to the group that the individual who
originially wrote ExMerge worked in.  That individual maintained the ExMerge
code for several years.  That individual has now moved to MCS, and is no
longer maintaining that code.

I'm not saying that it's buggy.  I'm not saying that there's anything wrong
with it.  I'm not saying that you shouldn't use it.  What I'm saying is that
a lot of time and effort was used to delevop and test the Move Server
Wizard.  It is fully supported, and there are code maintainers for it.  For
moving servers between sites or orgs, in my opinion, Move Server is the
best, hands down.  I will recommend it each and every time the question is
asked.

Thanks,

aseigler

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


Strange, I've never seen Exmerge crash my server, but I suppose there is a
possibility.  Then again, wouldn't ISScan have the same "potential" impact?
We (the general "we") run these utilities occasionally for virus outbreaks,
etc...  These are the "supported" methods to ripping stuff out of the IS
during these types of outbreaks.  So how may I ask do you propose admins
take care of their server then?

Most of us know that there are different versions of Exmerge for the
different levels of Exchange, now if this utility is "buggy" as you say, why
do we Exchange "professionals" out in the real world use it?  Why has it
been suggested we use it?  Or are you quoting how MS "wants" it done?  For
those of us in the "real" world, there is the MS way and there is the "real"
way.  Are you telling me I've been doing it wrong for the last 6 years?

At any rate, there is a "risk" involved any time you do anything to the
exchange server databases.  That's like saying that eseutil is NOT supported
because it can crash the server.  

I'm just curious to your position on all of this.  Being a part of MS, I
know you can't divulge your honest opinion, but throw me a bone.  I've been
working with Exchange since it was born, so...  I'm a bit curious. I'm
certainly not saying you're wrong, but you have my attention for the minute.

D



"It's not your blue blood, your pedigree or your college degree. It's what
you do with your life that counts." -Millard Fuller

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Seigler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


You're missing the point.  It's not FULLY supported.  For example, if you
run ExMerge, and it crashes your machine due to a bug, there is no guarantee
that it will be fixed.  See the disclaimer in \support\utils\readme.doc.

Thanks,

aseigler

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


Alex,

I see that you have an MS.com email addy so I for some reason will assume
you work there.  Where are you getting the bright idea that exmerge is NOT
supported by MS or even PSS for that matter?  Not that I ever call on you
guys, but I would say that exmerge has been supported for longer than you
been employed there.

D

"The secret to success is to know something nobody else knows." -Aristotle
Onassis

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Seigler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


The fact that it is on the CD does not make it fully supported.

-aseigler

-----Original Message-----
From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


Gentlemen,

This is a horse for courses scenario and not; there can only be one method.
It depends on what you want to achieve. And Exmerge does ship with windows
2000 CD-rom (w2k only product though)

My pennies worth
Merry Xmas

smcgilligan

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Seigler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: December 21 2001 1:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


I prefer the move server process.  As long as you're using the latest
store.exe and mvstore.dll, and your database is in acceptable shape, move
server will get you where you're going much faster, plus you keep single
instance storage.  On top of that, move server is fully supported, which is
more than I can say for exmerge.

-aseigler

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


Well since you kind of apologized.....

We prefer Exmerge [1] over Move Server. We have found that we can be at the
bar drinking much quicker with the Exmerge process.

[1] Especially with the Iron Chef Exmerge-Roger Seielstad add-on module

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Beahm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 9:06 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: M$ Exchange Move Server Wizard


Ok, so I give.  M$ was meant to convey Microsoft.  Is this better - MS 
Exchange Move Server Wizard?

I've been reading this column for the last year now.  I knew to expect the 
sarcasm, but I was also hoping to benefit from your global wisdom.

Thanks and Merry Christmas to all.

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