Of course!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:43 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Blocking spam


Depends upon how you define "good stuff". :)  I delete (without opening)
about 50 "Hot Teenz!" messages a day; plus another 50 "Find out anything
about anydude" messages and an endless parade of offers for home mortgages.

Every now and again we get a legit message of a personal nature -- naturally
we release them to the recipient as soon as we're aware that they're legit;
without reading them any further than absolutely necessary.  Of course. :)

-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
Director of Information Services
Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
http://www.hawaiilawyer.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:30 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Blocking spam
> 
> 
> But on the plus side, Ill bet you see some "good stuff"
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:32 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Blocking spam
> 
> 
> Not a solution in my environment, unfortunately. :)  They're
> still going to be getting a ton of spam (from their previous 
> indiscretions) and they'll still insist upon me fixing (or at 
> least reducing) that somehow.  In our case the answer is 
> content filtering and the attendant problems that go with it.
> 
> Luckily we've tuned (and continue to tune) our filters fairly
> well and catch very little legitimate mail in it.  I'd guess 
> we spend maybe 15 minutes a day skimming through the 
> quarantine and releasing stuff that's legit (deleting the rest of it).
> 
> We also don't catch all spam, of course, but we catch a lot
> of it.  And we do block more or less all of the dangerous 
> attachment extensions.
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> -Ben-
> Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
> Director of Information Services
> Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
> http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:14 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Blocking spam
> > 
> > 
> > No, you say "that sucks, you shouldn't have done that", then shake
> > your head slowly and walk away. :)
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:19 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Blocking spam
> > 
> > 
> > Once the horse is out of the barn, though, what do you do?
> Make them
> > get all new e-mail addresses?
> > 
> > -Ben-
> > Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
> > Director of Information Services
> > Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
> > http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:53 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Blocking spam
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I agree. It is dead on accurate.
> > > When I started here we had content filtering. And I had to
> > do the same
> > > thing. I slowly started turning off the filters and now the
> > only thing
> > > it does is extension blocking. I explained to management
> > and my users
> > > why this was happening to them and how they had done it to
> > themselves
> > > and how they should fooble their email addys if they don't
> > want to get
> > > on a list and everything is happy now.
> > > 
> > > Bottom line: Its about user education in my book.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jesse Rink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:48 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Blocking spam
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You know, this has to be the best email I've read here and have
> > > archived it for the day when my boss demands content
> > filtering on our
> > > exchange server, heh.
> > > 
> > > > You know, if you had been reading the list for one
> week, you would
> > > > have seen that this very issue was discussed in at least
> > > two threads.
> > > > 
> > > > There's nothing you can do until you show your users how
> > > they actually
> > > > get on people's sh!t lists.  If you can teach them how to avoid
> > > > behavior that gets them on people's sh!t lists, then and
> > only then
> > > > your spam input will decrease.
> > > > 
> > > > Sure, you can install something like eManager (since you
> > > have ScanMail
> > > > already, it's a cheap buy) but that just masks the
> problem.  Rest
> > > > assured that Richard Cranium in accounting will
> subscribe to the
> > > > cooking channel mailing list, or Jenny the Office Manager
> > > will forward
> > > > the "Good Luck Totem" to everybody in her address book.  At
> > > that point
> > > > Richard and Jenny will complain even louder when they
> > receive spam
> > > > because the content filter that YOU put in place doesn't
> > > work.  Then
> > > > Johnny the PHB will tell you to increase the
> > effectiveness of your
> > > > content filter or lose your job.  You'll do it and Richard
> > > and Jenny
> > > > will complain to Johnny that they are not receiving
> > > business critical
> > > > e-mails.  Then Johnny will order you to go through all blocked
> > > > messages and forward anything that is business critical.
> > > Soon, you'll
> > > > discover that you can't do anything else but review the
> > quarantined
> > > > messages.  You'll advise Johnny the PHB to promote Avi the
> > > OfficeBoy
> > > > to "Information Delivery Specialist" position where he can
> > > go through
> > > > all the messages so you can go back to installing
> service packs.
> > > > Should I go on?
> > > > 
> > > > S.
> > > > 
> > > 
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