Maybe, but these are products which absolutely require maintenance.  A
month-old pattern file is worthless--you're paying for currency.

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Tech Consultant
Compaq Computer
"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations


It's the software equivalent of planned obsolescence.  *sigh*

-----Original Message-----
From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Antivirus Suite recommendations


You're not buying the product.  You get a term license for its use.

Same with Antigen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations


> I'm noting that CDW does have the NeaTSuite package for 250 users listed
at
> under $8000.  This is certainly a bit cheaper than NAI's package, however,
> what is Trend's licensing like?  NAI wants you to re-license every two
> years.  How about Trend?  Is it similar?  Maybe I'll get lucky and they
only
> want you to buy it ONCE?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> ...and they do have the funniest radio ads.
>
> I sympathize on your situation with NAI. We saw a similar price increase
> from them while actually reducing the number of nodes. I looked at it as a
> good excuse to get some good software, Antigen in our case.
>
> -Peter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> So far CDW has been pretty good to me.  I've usually received product from
> them within a couple days of submitting a PO to them.  Again, not
> necessarily the cheapest place around, but ease of ordering and service
are
> still a big part of why I decide to purchase from them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Musheno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> And they have gotten parts to me next day even when I ordered at 5.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:41 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> CDW...Not exactly the low cost specialists, but they always have what I
> am
> searching for on a moments notice.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:42 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Most of the time, yes.  The quotes I got for NAI's suite were
> "supposedly"
> at a 42% discount, but wre still winding up at around $86 a pop.  That's
> far
> too much for us to be paying.  I've been told that using one set of
> products
> on the desktop and anotehr on the servers is a good idea, as one product
> may
> catch things that anothr does not.  That seems like a sound idea.  So,
> maybe
> my solution ought to be to look at Trend for the servers and keep things
> simple for my users and stick with McAfee on the desktops (so they won't
> freak out, which they so often do with anything "new").  BTW, where did
> you
> find that cost estimate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:32 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> I found 150 Users, $4500....
>
> Don't you guys get some kind of discount, like schools?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:30 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> 100 users is about 3300 list.
> Yes, it is all centrally managed. The server DL's that Dats, etc and
> then
> distributes them out. I dotn think you will find a more reliable suite
> of
> products. Every one of them is awesome.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:29 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Martin, since I have no experience with Trend, I assume that there are
> similar methods for updating workstations with the latest virus
> definitions
> and engine upgrades?  Is the cost reasonable?  Unfortunately, Ohio
> libraries
> (like us) are losing money this year due to state budget cuts.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:21 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Well, for Exchange AV, Trend and Antigen are THE names.
> For a suite, I would definitely go with Trend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:23 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Antivirus Suite recommendations
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Upon attempting to renew our license with NAI for our TVD suite, I've
> found
> that the cost of renewal is significantly greater ($8500 +) than what we
> originally purchased the suite for (around $3000).  Of course, we are
> going
> from 101 nodes to 175 nodes, but the jump in cost is enormous.
> Therefore, I
> am looking for potential alternatives.  I know that there are other
> vendors
> that are noted as being worth looking into (Trend, AntiGen, etc.).
>
> Any suggestions then, especially in light of cost?  I'd really like to
> find
> something that might come in a whole lot closer to our original cost for
> TVD, plus the extra nodes we need (under 200).  It really is important
> that
> the suite be able to handle integrating well with Exchange 5.5.
> Especially
> when it comes to attachment blocking.
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Matt Hoffman
>
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