Another thing -does your boss know what raid means?

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kleinsinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 September 2002 09:37
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup Hardware


This has got to be a joke. Taking a spare drive from a RAID 5 is not a valid
backup scheme...  It doesn't protect you at all.  The spare drive is a
mirror of one of the drives that's actually part of the RAID.  Since there's
no way to guarantee that the data on the drive it was mirroring wasn't
changed during the night (unless the machine it's attached to is shut down
prior to the removal of the drive in which case the probability of a drive
failure is 0 anyway) then the spare is useless and the RAID is just as
broken.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:03 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Backup Hardware
> 
> 
> Ok any other reason I can throw in there besides the
> Vibration/Temperature RAID box dying?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of EXTERN Hlabse
> Tony (Tek Systems;RBNA/CIT1)
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:53 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Backup Hardware
> 
> 
> Now taking tapes home is normal. Depending on your backup 
> schedule most
> companies do this on a weekly bases. Bye the way taking one drive home
> does no good at all. Think of it this way. Lets say the RAID 
> box catches
> fire/blows up. Do you really think one drive will allow a 
> full rebuild.
> I don't think so. Tell your Boss that his friend is an idiot.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:44 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Backup Hardware
> 
> 
> He takes it home and puts it back in. I imagine the life of the HD is
> pretty short from all that rebuilding.
> 
> I take the tapes home from my office to make sure their 
> offsite in case
> of a fire. Any problem with that?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of EXTERN Hlabse
> Tony (Tek Systems;RBNA/CIT1)
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:41 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Backup Hardware
> 
> 
> What? That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a long time.
> Now I have heard people taking tapes home with them. What I would like
> to know when he gets back to work does he put it back in or 
> does he take
> one out and put another in. This is too funny.
> 
> Almost as good as " Hey my System Idle process is at 99% can someone
> tell how to make it stop taking up all the CPU cycles?"
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:21 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Backup Hardware
> 
> 
> My boss has a friend that has a company that backs up their servers by
> taking a spare hard drive from a RAID 5 config home ever night.
> Currently we are using a VAX tape drive to back up our 
> systems. He seems
> to think that the hard drive solution sounds like a great 
> idea. I think
> it's possibly the worst idea ever created. Besides the constant
> vibrations, and temperature changes that the hard drives would have to
> withstand could everyone give me some more reasons as to why this is a
> bad idea. I think I just need a little ammo from other admins to help
> convince him. 
> 
> Thanks
> Chris Hummert
> 
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