Here we go again... About every six months someone gets on a similar rant. <yawn>
-----Original Message----- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind of like the last 10 or so). I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply have to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost as bad as spam to be quite honest. Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of an Exchange Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and farts Exchange Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know something that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very limited or in poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in the know and who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions. I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and hostile toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother, then just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through. I wish this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the bickering - please stop. Jeff Hague MCSE, MCT Network Manger Randolph-Macon College [EMAIL PROTECTED] (That's right Ed - I'm "from a .edu"). -----Original Message----- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:curspice@;pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:51 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Believe me on this: I very much appreciate it that you read this list. Not everyone does. For example, we get this guy who has popped in every month or so for the past five or more years to ask questions that have been hashed out dozens of times in excruciating detail. You'd think that after five years he'd have learned the basics from this list. "But Noooooo!", to quote John Belushi. So please understand that I very much respect those who learn something here. Learning new stuff is one of the primary reasons I stay here--that and the occasional chance to fan a flame war. (This guy's from a .edu, the one that has the domain name that my alma mater, berkeley.edu, should by all rights have. I'm not too worried about him seeing this since he obviously never reads the list except to scan for a reply to his query.) Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Technical Consultant hp Services "There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems." -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-94760@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Householder Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:27 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Typically I just sit here and read the posts and I have to admit I've learn a lot from the discussions. I can tell there are some experienced Admins here too, but there are some of us that work for smaller companies and we don't have the time to learn everything there is to know about Exchange administration. I consider myself a pretty good admin. I may not know everything there is to know about Exchange Administration, but I know where the knowledge bases and these kind of discussion lists are. A lot of us are trying to learn to be good Email Admins. I admit that there are some pretty bad questions that come across this list. I've said my two cents.. I don't care if anyone likes it or doesn't. I remember just getting into Exchange and trying to make sure I did everything just right so it didn't cause me serious headaches down the road. Thanks for listening.. Greg Householder [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:mhutchins@;amr-corp.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Well, it has been my experience that over 35% of the questions asked have been answered with something like the following, which tells me there are people that REFUSE to do ANY research before posting.. I myself think it is getting old.. EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL ANSWERS: <Quote> Search technet for "open relay exchange 2000", follow the directions and make sure you aren't an open relay when you get it working. My guess is that your server will be an open relay after reading some of the previous posts. </Quote> <Quote> I assume your talking about incoming mail. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q324021 </Quote> <Quote> You should either reconsider your decision to have port 137 opened or install the latest Microsoft Security patch: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/secur ity/bulletin/MS02-045.asp </Quote> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:35 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's Well let's all assume that we get the same results as you. Second why should I have to show my work to you before I post a message to the list. Shouldn't everyone check the web and the MS KB before they post a question? The only one that's an idiot is the one that makes assumptions. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's The #1 hit for me on RBL at google was this URL: mail-abuse.org/rbl/. Seems like it might be a likely source given that it talks about mail. I'm not a fsckign mind reader; if you want me to know you searched google first then show your work. Otherwise, without a longstanding history of posts I've seen to the contrary I'll assume you (collectively) are an idiot... And based on your response below, my assumption that you (individually) are an idiot, was more or less spot on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:25 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > Yea I really didn't think we were talking about: > RBL ROMANTICA HOMEPAGE > RBL Romantica! ... The History of RBL Romantica. Once upon a time, on > a web page far, far away, there was a place made especially for lovers > of romance. ... > Description: Rebel newsletters, message boards and romance links. > Category: Arts > Literature > Genres > Romance > www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/3079/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages > > I CHECKED GOOGLE FIRST SO I ASKED. SHOVE THAT IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS > ASS > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:23 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > www.google.com? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:20 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > Ok what's an RBL. I'm not familiar with that term > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of > Chris Scharff > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:19 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > Are you going to trust (l)[EMAIL PROTECTED] to tell you who is > and isn't a > > spammer? How about that psycho guy you saw at the movie > rental place > > last week? Those are just some of the wonderful people who > report to > > and maintain various RBLs. And you're going to block what may be a > > critical sales order or customer service request based on their say > > so? > > > > An RBL, like communism is nice in theory. In practice, they > leave more > > than a little to be desired. Once e-mail becomes more than > a nice to > > have for a business, RBLs become a potential liability. An > admin who > > knows what they are doing, combined with software which doesn't > > completely suck might be able to use them to some level of positive > > effect, but that'd be the exception rather than the rule. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:hummertc@;noghri.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:57 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > > Ok please explain. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:bounce-exchange-97309@;ls.swynk.com] On Behalf Of > > Chris Scharff > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:49 PM > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > > 97.25% of mail admins are too stupid to understand what an RBL > > > actually is/does. I for one hope they continue to rely on > > 3rd parties > > > to provide the functionality, otherwise I'll likely have to > > join you > > > in phoning stupid admins to tell them why RBL $foo is > costing their > > > company business. > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Scharff, MVP MCSE > > > EMS Sales Engineer > > > MessageOne > > > 512.652.4500 x-244 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Darcy Adams [mailto:Darcy.Adams@;gettyimages.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:42 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RE: RBL's > > > > > > > > > > > > Still 3rd party. I was at a meeting at MS on Monday > > night and the > > > > current stance on that is that they're "thinking about > possibly" > > > > including RBL support in a future release. > > > > > > > > Darcy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Matt Natkin [mailto:mnatkin@;natco-inc.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:50 PM > > > > To: Exchange Discussions > > > > Subject: RBL's > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey does exchange 2k have a rbl feature or is this 3rd party? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
