Great post, Craig. That should be added to the faq. Paul Chinnery Network Administrator Mem Med Ctr
-----Original Message----- From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:craig.dupler@;boeing.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it Dear Jeff, To get any value out of this list, you have to assume that massive deletes without reads is the norm. Use a rule to move everything coming in from the list to a single folder. Sort that folder by subject. Don't even try to interact with a thread without using a tripane viewer/reader. Finally, you have to accept that techies go through a number of socialization phases on their way toward becoming true experts. One of them lasts for a while after they begin to understand enough to actually start helping others. It has similarities to post adolescence. If you have ever taught classes to people in the age ranges of either middle school (12-14) or college sophomore to about 35, then you clearly understand the entertainment opportunities. But gee, in order to get to the other side of anything, one does have to pass through it. Don't worry about either offending or being offended. You will - both. It is a normal part of the journey. I get to say that, since my hair is grey and I was here before all but about three others, back when Peter first started the list to replace the original Bravehearts group, which goes back to well before Exchange was called Exchange. One other thing - it's ok to come and go. Everyone has. CD -----Original Message----- From: Hague, Jeff [mailto:jhague@;rmc.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:34 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it I am sorry that you misunderstood my rants - let me explain. First - I am not directing this at any one individual in particular - your right Generally Chris and the rest of the members of this list are correct or at least informative in many of the posts I have read. Second - I really don't care if your rude - you can all be total flaming a-holes as far as Im concerned as long as you don't work in my building it doesn't bother me a bit. Third - as stated, I enjoy the banter as well and a little humor always helps to get through the day. Fourth - the person who originally posted this message did know what the term meant and is probably quite capable of installing and using the technology. It wasn't until 6 or 7 replies in that someone asked what the term meant and from that point on the whole thread just went to hell - I don't see what good came out of it. This in itself wouldn't bother me too much but its not exactly an isolated case. Fifth - Im not even going to bother with your comment regarding my abilities as an admin because im too serious as it has no relevance to one's ability to do anything except, possibly, standup comedy. (OK, so I guess I did bother...). Finally, what really strikes me as interesting is that some of you post more replies complaining about people with stupid questions than there are posts of that nature in the first place. Add to that the humorous or off-topic posts and I think the percentage of posts that are in fact Exchange related and helpful drops to somewhere around 50% or less. Furthermore, some of you seem to think that a simple (and perhaps a stupid) question wastes your time but responding to that question in a rude manner does not - I just don't get it. What bothers me about this is that I have to pour through all of this crap looking for the wisdom of those of you who have already been there and done that which is why I subscribe to these lists in the first place. As I've stated, the fun stuff is OK too but lets at least try to keep most of this stuff relevant. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it Although some of these replies sound a bit rude to you, I would still consider some of them to the point. Really.. how would you install/maintain the usage of RBL if you don't even know what it means.. How would you be able to decide which one to use.. At this point Chris Scharff is right.. a bit rude perhaps.. but right.. At some other points he was a bit rude too but I think he was right again.. He made me laugh.. I think you're taking it to serious to be an admin.. It's a hell of a job and humor is the only way to survive. For ppl who aren't admins some of the talk on this or any other list sounds rude.. but I guess it's not that bad at all. Or perhaps I'm just working in this field to long to know how ppl should talk to each other. If the posting has something to do about pets then I'm using the "delete" button.. So even that button has a perpose :-) Have fun, B. At 08:42 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote: >Absolutely - a reply with a link or just a single word is a wonderful >thing if it actually helps and folks should take some initiative on >their own. >I am only commenting on some of the posts that are downright rude and >uncalled for - the playful banter can be kind of interesting though. > >Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:ouwerkerk92@;zonnet.nl] >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:35 AM >To: Exchange Discussions >Subject: RE: RBL's - Please Get over it > >I don't think this or any other tech related list is hostile towards >newcomers. On Linux related lists (about 98% of all lists I'm subscribed > >to) it's usually enough to tell what you did to solve your problem. >Explain >you did search the archives, used google, searched the M$ KB (for M$ >related topics) and you really did what you could to find information. >Seriously, a question with detailed information and showing you did your > >best to solve your problem is getting a better answer then one showing >you >didn't do a thing. >Remember.. it's mostly your problem and you search for help from other >admins who don't get any payment. >Nobody should feel offended if the answer is just a link to the >information >you're looking for. > >Read the following information. It's written by a guy who codes on >Linux.. >but this information is also interesting for others. >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >I think I saw it in another reply too. > >Just my EUR 0,02 > >Bye, > > > >B. > > >At 01:34 24-10-02 -0400, you wrote: > >I too have enjoyed this list and have learned a lot from it but only > >after deleting the several hundred posts that are absolute drivel (kind > >of like the last 10 or so). > >I have only been subscribed for a little over a month and I am > >absolutely overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts that I simply have > >to ignore before I see one that actually answers a question. Its almost > >as bad as spam to be quite honest. > >Many of you seem to think that every answer has been answered and > >therefore every single person within a few hundred yards of an Exchange > >Server should already know that answer. You also seem to assume that > >every person subscribed to this list eats, breathes and farts Exchange > >Server - if it didn't sound like such a boring existence I would love > >that - unfortunately I also have to administer an entire network of > >other servers, switches, routers, firewalls, etc. > >I spend a great deal of time with TechNet and the Knowledgebase as well > >as their equivalents from other companies. I also read a lot of very > >thick (and very droll) books but quite often, I need to know something > >that isn't necessarily in a book or is explained in very limited or in > >poor detail by the vendor responsible. That is when I turn to these > >lists and hope to learn something from those of you who in the know and > >who are gracious enough to spend your time answering questions. > >I find it very unfortunate that some of you are so negative and hostile > >toward some of the questions posted here. If it is such a bother, then > >just stop - you can very easily unsubscribe and go on about your lives > >without having to worry about the rest of us. We will muddle through. > >I wish this post could have had some meaningful question that couldn't > >be answered by the great and powerful google.com or that it had > >contained an answer as worthy but I'm really getting tired of the > >bickering - please stop. > >SNIPPING a low of stuff. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm >Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com >Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_________________________________________________________________ >List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm >Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com >Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:leave-exchange@;ls.swynk.com Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
