You would know that, too, wouldn't you?

Roger
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Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:03 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> 
> 
> Don't sell yourself short.  You're a technical pr!ck.
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
> Technical Consultant
> hp Services
> "There are seldom good technological solutions to
> behavioral problems."
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
> Of Roger Seielstad
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:29 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> 
> 
> Nah - I'm a completely non-technical pr!ck. 
> 
> Or as another sysadmin here has been known to say -
> technology misapplied.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Lefkovics
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 10:57 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Ah... a technical solution for a behavioral problem.
>  There sure are
> > lots of those.
> > 
> > William
> >  
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> Behalf Of Roger
> > Seielstad
> > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:10 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > 
> > We have plenty of people who would ditch Outlook
> entirely in that
> > scenario - even AT their desks. Not gonna happen on
> my watch.
> > 
> > Not to mention, sooner or later they'd get really
> pissed having to use
> > the SecurID keyfob to log into their email.
> > 
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > Atlanta, GA
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Lefkovics
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:44 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > You're such an email nazi.  ;o)
> > > 
> > > I used to use OWA when away from my desk elsewhere
> in the office.
> > > 
> > > William
> > >  
> > >  
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> Behalf Of Roger
> > > Seielstad
> > > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:44 AM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > 
> > > I don't support OWA via VPN - if you're VPN'ed in,
> use Outlook. In 
> > > fact, I've IP-limited OWA to external users only.
> We provide Outlook 
> > > for a reason
> > > - we expect it to be used.
> > > 
> > > As I said before, we do secure OWA with a
> multi-factor one time use
> > > authentication system (RSA's SecurID) which works
> well.
> > > 
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > > Atlanta, GA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:38 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Mark,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks - interesting audit. If we decide to go
> forward with 
> > > > allowing non-VPN clients access to Outlook we
> will take a closer 
> > > > look at the product. Is
> > > > anyone aware of similar products?
> > > > 
> > > > A question for the group on a related topic: is
> it common practice 
> > > > to allow non-VPN clients to access Outlook via
> OWA, or do most
> > > > companies require at
> > > > least a VPN connection?
> > > > 
> > > > Jon
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mark Rotman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:52 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> > > > 
> > > > Jon,
> > > > 
> > > > You could have a look at this OWA audit for some
> more details. Be 
> > > > aware that the document is useful, but the
> issues in it (as well 
> > > > as
> > > your #1) are
> > > > handled by Messageware's SecureLogoff product.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.messageware.net/audits/owa.html
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:22 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: Securing the OWA Kiosk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > How are folks handling the following potential
> security risks 
> > > > using OWA from unsecured workstations, such as a
> kiosk or library 
> > > > environment?
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Cached web pages, etc. on the workstation.
> User walks
> > > away without
> > > > closing the browser, the next user has access to
> the previous 
> > > > users' email.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. Stealth keyboard capture program grabs
> userids and passwords.
> > > > 
> > > > It seems like there is a common train of thought
> about remote OWA 
> > > > that 'It is only email, what is the worst that
> could happen?' My 
> > > > take is someone who
> > > > has unauthorized access to email can
> potentially:
> > > > 
> > > > -       Get people fired;
> > > > -       Get people arrested;
> > > > -       Get companies/people sued;
> > > > -       Cost companies/people money.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks . . .
> > > > 
> > > > Jon Martin
> > > > Systems Programmer
> > > > East Bay Municipal Utility District (EBMUD)
> > > > Oakland, CA
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
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