You really believe that how many lawyers do you know? Ethics is personal not Professional
Joshua Morgan Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:54 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects The only difference between us and lawyers is that lawyers have ethics. > Plus the last thing in the world I want is too be compared to a > lawyer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua R. Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:49 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > Time to Chime in because I disagree with some of the statements below: > You say that Doctors, lawyers, and engineers do not get Certified in > things like "The Purple Pill" well that may be so but Doctors, lawyers > and engineers do specialize in different areas such as a Neurologist, > Pediatrist, Criminal Lawyer, Civil Lawyer.... And to say that Doctors, > Lawyers, and Engineers do not get free gifts, well that is crazy. Walk > into a Doctors office and see the Lipitor Clock or the Viagra Pen. You > could almost consider IT Certifications like Specializing inside a > profession. I mean if I am having Brain Surgery I want a Neurologist > to be there, if I am having problems with my Exchanger Server (that is > beyond my ability to fix) I want someone more specialized than me. > > Basically if you have such angst for the Profession that you are in > please find something else to do. > > > Joshua Morgan > Not and MCSE, MCP, or MVP but wouldn't mind being one if I had the > time and $$$ As a matter of fact I would not mind being a CCNA, MSDBA, > PHD or anything. > > > > > > Joshua Morgan > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:01 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > This is exactly what I am talking about. Certifications in our > industry are based around vendors and their tools. I get "Microsoft > certified". But that is meaningless. Imagine the corollary, a doctor > gets certified in "The Purple Pill". That's nonsense, but that is how > the IT industry works. We get certifications based upon vendors, not > based upon the services or processes we provide or our specialties. If > we were to operate more like a profession, we would have people > getting certified in "Email" and "Network OS", etc. But we do not, > everything in IT is vendor-based. It is sad and until our industry > wakes up and realizes this, it will fail to be viewed a profession on > par with doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. This view has a SEVERE > impact on our ENTIRE industry. We are the equivalent of people > traveling around in our "medicine" wagon peddling snake oil and other > remedies to cure all your ills. > > > I agree with you, to an extent. However, I believe the > > accountability = lapse in our profession is because of the paucity > > of meaningful = credentials. An attorney has to pass the bar, and > > then (potentially) = get board-certified in his or her specialty. > > Same with medical doctors. = Same with psychologists. Aside from > > the CCIE program and very few = others, the certification process in > > our industry is ludicrous and = meaningless. As long as "built a > > Quake server in my parents' garage" is = considered a credential, > > and as long as a paper MCSE or CNE are = considered credentials, the > > problem will exist. The other problem that = goes hand-in-hand with > > this is that hiring authorities for some reason = believe that they > > can accurately judge an applicant's qualifications = based upon > > buzzword bingo, meaningless certs papering the wall, and = "years of > > experience." Then they get some monkey that crammed for a = week to > > get his MCSE, throws around a bunch of lingo that he read in a = > > tech journal in the waiting room, and shared breathing space with a > > = broken installation of $technology for x period of time. =20 > > > > I don't believe accepting my Microsoft Bob coffee mug perverts my = > > objectivity. Except that I really like drinking coffee from it and = > > probably wouldn't use my Novell mugs because they're plastic and > > shaped = in such a way that my coffee gets cold. > > > > -tom > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Posted At: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:30 PM > > Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List > > Conversation: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects > > > > > > I'm not sure how this refutes anything along these lines. > > > > Going to a trade show and picking up a freebie is one thing. > > Accepting a title and accepting continued compensation is quite > > another. There is no relationship implied with the first, there is > > with the second. > > > > There are very specific things that denote a profession. One is > > having = an independent governing body that defines and enforces the > > "rules" and ethics of the profession. The IT industry is a horrible > > failure in this regard. And, if you want to get specific, the only > > real professions that meet all of the definitions are military, > > medical, lawyers and to a = lesser degree accounting and > > engineering. If you want to get technical, the military is the only > > profession that truly meets all of the = requirements. > > In terms of their management of individuals in their profession, they = > > are > > answerable to no one, have their own legal and ethical code of conduct = > > and > > enforce those rules. This is why there is the justice system and the > > military's justice system. > > > > We work with lawyers all the time. We even host partner companies on > > our Exchange server for free. The lawyers that we work with FORCE us > > to bill them because they cannot ethically accept this service for > > free. It creates a conflict of interest for them. Our IT partners have > > no such ethical constraints. > > > > Go talk to lawyers, doctors and architects. Talk to them about their > > governing bodies, their ethics, etc. Talk to them about vendors in > > their industry. Getting things for free is viewed as bribery and a > > conflict of interest. Some of these industries are more lax than > > others. Look at the medical industry and how drug reps are viewed > > treated. Then compare that with IT's views on vendors. The difference > > is stark. In one, drug reps giving away free samples is seen as a huge > > problem, in IT it is not. > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
