I thought I would point out that MDs do require certification on complex
equipment. They don't need a tongue depression certification, but they do
require training/certification on larger systems, if for nothing else then
insurance purposes.

Erick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Deckler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects


> Man. It does not matter how you view yourself, it is a matter of how
> others perceive you. Military, doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. are held
> in much higher regard in society than the "computer guy". Why? The reason
> this is the case is because these are viewed as professions whereas the
> computer industry is viewed as a trade.
>
> Actually, it really makes no sense to discuss this anymore. Profession vs.
> trade, go look it up and then compare IT to the other professions I have
> mentioned. Look at the real differences between these industries. Open
> your mind a little bit and really look. There are stark differences.
>
> The problem is, until the IT industry gets over its fascination with
> vendors and products (tools). For example, take a hematologist. A
> hematologist is a specialist in the process of taking blood. A
> hematoligist is NOT a specialist in this or that needle or syringe. By
> being a specialist in the PROCESS, they automatically have to be
> specialists in the tools of their profession. It is a completely different
> paradigm.
>
> Look at how long the IT industry has been around, only several decades.
> Doctors, lawyers, engineering, etc. have been around for centuries. Who do
> you think has things figured out, us or them? If we ever want the IT
> industry to be considered a profession on par with other professions, then
> we need to take steps to emulate those other professions. Chief among
> these is getting rid of this fascination with vendors and tools. It is
> idiotic. You get certified in a tool and a year later that cert is
> worthless. How about getting certified in "email migrations", a process?
> Learn the process, don't learn the tool. By learning the process, you by
> definition must learn the tools in order to execute the process.
>
> Well, I guess this problem really is systemic to the IT industry and there
> is quite likely no hope. In a century or two, maybe the IT industry will
> mature to the point that it can become a true profession. But if this
> myopia continues, it will never get there. And there are many, many
> reasons that we, as an industry, should WANT to get there. But until
> people recognize this issue, we will forever be mired in a trade.
>
> > <rant>
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to finally step in here and add my $.02 worth.
You
> > state and I quote:
> >
> > "Go talk to lawyers, doctors and architects...The difference is stark.
In
> > one, drug reps giving away free samples is seen as a huge problem, in IT
it
> > is not."
> >
> > What a crock of $H!T!  It is COMMON practice, for drug reps to leave
piles
> > of free samples with every doctor they visit.  Doctors are then able to
let
> > patients try different brands/different types or strengths of medicines
in
> > order to see what works for them, without what can sometimes be HUGE
> > out-of-pocket expenses to the patient, for a product that doesn't work
for
> > them.  It also keeps the doctors from having to fight with an HMO over
> > paying for a prescription, until such time as they know for sure which
one
> > works.
> >
> > As Bill Cosby would say, "Grab a Coke and a smile" and go buy a clue
> > somewhere.
> >
> > IT people can be viewed as a Professionals instead of "craftpeople",
anytime
> > they want by simply following a few simple rules:
> > 1.  Dress professionally.  For guys, this means slacks, dress shoes and
a
> > button-down, collared shirt...maybe with a tie.  It does NOT mean
raggedy,
> > holey jeans/shorts with stained T-shirts and sandals.  For women, it
means
> > slacks, dresses or a professional length skirt nice blouse and dress
shoes.
> > It does NOT mean mini-skirts, flip-flops, short-shorts and blouses that
> > expose all their cleavage.
> >
> > 2.  Know your product, make an INFORMED decision and consider all your
> > options, before opening your mouth in front of management or outside of
your
> > own IT group.  Your status as a Professional will be greatly enhanced
and
> > your opinions will carry much more weight, if your work and your advice
> > stand up to the test of time.
> >
> > 3.  Don't go out partying / socializing in public with your management
or
> > subordinates.  Keep work at work and your social life separate.  There
is
> > nothing that will damage a person's professional reputation in the
company
> > they work for faster, than to go out and get drunk and rowdy with their
boss
> > and everyone else in the company.  Some of the biggest problems in
companies
> > are caused when former co-workers get promoted up the management chain,
they
> > still go out partying together and then the subordinates expect special
> > treatment from their "buddy".
> >
> > I have met almost every single one of the people that have taken the
time to
> > participate in this "discussion."  Every single one of them in my
opinion,
> > displays the utmost in Professionalism and represents our industry VERY
> > well.  I could have a discussion about any IT-related topic I wanted to
and
> > this group of people would be the FIRST ones to propose changes to my
> > configuration or propose alternate Non-MS related solutions to my
problem.
> > They do what it takes to get the job done.  Most of them are my what I
> > strive to emulate professionally, because they follow the rules I've
> > outlined above (well, except for Andy.  He does tend to get a tad bit
rowdy
> > now and then...but he's a lot of fun anyway. :0P ) and are respected by
> > their peers because of it.
> >
> > I'd say that if you don't view yourself as a Professional, it's because
of
> > your attitude or because of a shortcoming of your own...not theirs.
> >
> > </rant>
> >
>
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