Why are people still talking about this BS instead of technical issues?
Most of us are here for technical stuff, not some moral/ethical class.
Face it, some one who is going to be unmoral/unethical is going to do it
no matter what profession they are in.  Lawyers/Doctors may be a little
more cautious about it because they know they could lose their license. 

Just like locking your doors on your car.  It will keep out the honest
people, but the person that is going to break into your car is going to
do it whether you have it locked or not.

There s my 2 cents.  Lets leave it alone now. 

Greg Householder
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sandhya Pai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects

Hi Greg,

I'm forced to jump in because you are talking about ethics and how
doctors
and lawyers are only professionals because they don't accept anything.
I
don't know about Lawyers but I know for sure that Doctors get
compensation
in other ways.  For example, my son's doctor told me that a
pharmaceutical
company had arranged for a fun day for all the doctors in his profession
and
their FAMILIES at Lake Compounce Amusement Park in CT.  He laughed and
said
I know it's probably unethical but it was lot of fun and there were lot
of
other people.

Another instance - we have a friend at a very high sales level in a
Pharmaceutical firm and he says that they wine and dine the Doctors.
They
take them (& their families) out for dinner.  Have a fun time and just
update them on a new drug for 5 minutes.  Both the sales people and
doctors
make out on an expensive dinner. You'll be surprised how they can tell
when
Doctors write the drug prescription.

My point is that I'm sure that none of the MVP's here get treated this
way
by Microsoft and they still help us when we need it out of the goodness
of
their heart.  

Sandhya

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Shortcuts to Outlook objects


I am not and have never said that what MVP's do or do not do is a
problem.
The granting of the title MVP and any rewards/compensation that go with
it
is itself the problem. Yes, some MVP's have posted some critical
comments.
Who cares? The problem is the fact that MVP's exist in the first place.

Here it is again:
-  The IT industry is vendor focused
-  As long as the IT industry is vendor focused it will never be a
profession on par with doctors, lawyers, etc.
-  MVP's are an example of this vendor focus and in fact reward this
behavior
-  MVP status is in and of itself a conflict of interest

This is NOT to say that all MVP's cannot maintain objectivity, but that
is
not the point of a conflict of interest. When a conflict of interest
exists,
it exists regardless of whether people act inappropriately because of
that
conflict of interest.

> That proves no point, Greg, most of my discussions take place in 
> private.
> 
> MVPs are publicly critical of Microsoft all the time; if you can't see

> that then perhaps it's because you won't.
> 
> -Ben-
> Ben M. Schorr, MVP-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3
> Director of Information Services
> Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert
> http://www.hawaiilawyer.com
> >  
> >  

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