We've offered encrypted e-mail to all of our clients; thus far very few, if any, have agreed to do it. They think it's too much of a hassle. <sigh>
-Ben- Ben M. Schorr Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -----Original Message----- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions And I used to work for the third largest insurance adjusting company in the country, and information security was NEVER a priority for our customers. -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:28 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT > > > I work for a Insurance company. One of our biggest priorities is the > protection of patient information. Don't generalize a whole industry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:26 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT > > > Take exception all you like, for the vast majority of companies > involved in health care, patient information is not a priority. Nice > that it is in your organization, but yours is the exception rather > than the rule I assure you. Think insurance companies care about > patient confidentiality? Hell, they don't even care about patients. > > Security second to the pentagon? Perhaps taking a page from their book > and setting up public and private networks initially would have solved > these types of issues. If protecting patient data had been a priority > from the get go, I'd expect this would already be in place. Instead, > maintaining that confidentiality was an idea given lip service to > while measures were put in place which were known to trade off > security for expediency. > > As noble as your organization's intentions are, a thimble full of wine > in a barrel of sewer water, still gets you a barrel of sewer water. > That's why extremely restrictive regulations were enacted. > > On 2/26/03 7:19, "Chinnery, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Chris, I take exception to your comments in your second paragraph that > the reality is that companies don't really care about protecting > patient data. I work in a hospital and have met many people from other > hospitals through seminars, meetings, etc. To say that we don't care > is patently false. > Patient confidentiality is a priority, second only to patient care. > Our hospital has zero tolerance for PHI disclosure. A nurse blabs to > someone about a patient and boom! she's fired. > I know, I've seen it happen. > > The trouble with HIPAA is that they seem to want hospitals and > healthcare organizations to be almost as secure as the Pentagon. Our > administration hired a big name outfit to give their recomendations. > I had to read through 23 documents from them. And some of them, the > suggestions, were insane. > One suggested (although it said it was > optional) searching all purses and bags that patients or visitors to > the hospital. I guess they're afraid someone would sneak in a floppy > to be used to copy patient data. > > > Paul Chinnery > Network Administrator > Mem Med Ctr > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:10 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption-OT > > > Not an expert on the science behind this essay > http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224=easterbrook022403 > <http://tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030224&s=easterbrook022403> > , but the idea > of needing to use nuclear power plants to product the levels > of hydrogen > > needed for 'clean fuel cells' seems to make the "water is the only > byproduct" argument a bit disingenuous. Course as I said, I'm > not an expert > on the subject so I'm certainly open to knowing where the > levels of hydrogen > > needed for such a thing would come from. > > Perhaps instead of replacing HIPPA, those companies subject to its > regulations need to rethink how and why patient data would > need to leave > > their environment and design secure systems (which e-mail aint) to > facilitate that transmittal. Course the reality is companies > aren't really > interested in protecting patient data, just in being > compliant with the > various regulatory agencies which govern them. So, following > the cheapest > route to compliance they encounter the reality that cheap aint easy. > > On 2/25/03 16:06, "Christopher Hummert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ok I knew I shouldn't have used that example, cause I knew > somewhere we > were going to get into a debate about it. In addition I > should have said > > Hydrogen Fuel Cells which is what I was thinking of when I made the > statement. As far as the pollution: > > Fuel cells efficiently convert hydrogen fuel and oxygen from the air > into electricity. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (HFCEVs) emit > only water vapor from their exhaust pipes. Demonstrations of > HFCEVs have > > been successful and this technology is expected to displace internal > combustion engines in the 21st Century. > > Which I got from pretty much the first thing I could google up here: > http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/altfuel.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
