No I wasn't trying to raise a debate (I don't debate well..wish I could I might have a better chance against my better half)..though I knew someone might... I just get curious at peoples perceptions...and how much they buy into what is often a lot of media hype...info conveniently not mentioned etc.......
Like back when GM did the electric car thing..it was like 90' when I was back in engineering school some the other geeks and me did up a quick calc on cost.. initial cost of vehicle, amount of batteries the thing used....life of batteries as stated in the article then...change over cycle..etc... we did not take into account back then the Fact that after the batteries are dead/beat the disposal cost due to the fact that batteries are hazardous waste..at least not from the monetary stand point....etc I'm not saying new technologies are good or bad...just curious what and how much people really take into account....about stuff..... -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT Ok I knew I shouldn't have used that example, cause I knew somewhere we were going to get into a debate about it. In addition I should have said Hydrogen Fuel Cells which is what I was thinking of when I made the statement. As far as the pollution: Fuel cells efficiently convert hydrogen fuel and oxygen from the air into electricity. Hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles (HFCEVs) emit only water vapor from their exhaust pipes. Demonstrations of HFCEVs have been successful and this technology is expected to displace internal combustion engines in the 21st Century. Which I got from pretty much the first thing I could google up here: http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/altfuel.html -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellott, Bill Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption-OT Chris Im curious how do you figure this statement? Next thing you'll drag in Hybrids ... "It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there." While I agree hydrogen engines maybe more friendly...they do produce pollution AND the infrastructure you correctly point out which is not there really WILL in fact produce pollution to make the pieces/stuff required for the "cleaner part". Let me ask this..IF say you put a refrigerator in a "sealed" room...plug it in...leave the Fridge door open....what happens in the room? there no free lunch...just more healthy... ;-) bill -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:42 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Except that none of our clients have heard about PGP. That's one of the problems with HIPPA, the solutions they want don't exist for a device that was developed back in the 60's (I think I got the time right, I'm not going to check though). It's the same problem you have with cars today. Gasoline engines produce pollution, so to change this we could move to hydrogen engines which are pollution free. But the infrastructure isn't there. Same thing with e-mail and encryption. That's one of the reasons HIPPA deadlines keeps getting pushed back. Then with a solution like PGP you have to teach the users how to use it. That's a nightmare that I don't ever want to repeat again. Hell half of the users I taught have a hard time figuring out what the "start button" is, and it's right there in front of their face. The big problem with HIPPA was that it was designed by bureaucrats (who BTW were probably the same users that have a hard time with the start button thing) that wanted to do something to protect the people that vote for them. Except there wasn't a major problem to begin with. Sure there were a few slight mishaps here and there, but the industry was doing a fine job of learning from those mistakes and creating new solutions to prevent those from happening again. In addition to the design problems with HIPPA, you have the fact that it's become so bloated that no one knows exactly what it is or what you need to do. While you run into some so called "HIPPA expert" that says you need to do one thing, you can always find another that says you don't need to do that. Flat out HIPPA needs to go, and be replaced by something that's a little more well thought out. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Sojka Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:25 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption Yup. But PGP is one of the most widely deployed encryption packages and has software for various client and server packages. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:19 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: Exchange server level encryption > > > Doesn't PGP suffer from the same problem, where the recipients need to > have a PGP key set up? > > Erick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Cornetet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:38 PM > Subject: RE: Exchange server level encryption > > > I'll assume you are talking about SMIME encryption here. What you want > to do is not possible in the general sense. You need the recipient's > public key in order to encrypt their mail. You would have to have a > predefined list of all possible recipients and their public keys. Even > if you had this list, I know of no products that implement this (but > then again, I've never looked) > > You could probably rig something up using PGP on a unix box as an > outbound gateway. But then all your recipients would need PGP to read > the mail. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:25 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Exchange server level encryption > > > Ok, my eyes are going crossed. > I have been trying to figure out a decent way to encrypt all outbound > email from our company. This is for compliance with HIPAA. Does anyone > happen to have any ideas? > > I have googled and haven't found a product that looks right. I have > searched for "exchange 2000 encryption", "email encryption", etc. > Help? > > TIA > > Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
