So you don't think that a particular product can have problems on one system and not another? That's a pretty weak argument.
"I don't have any problems running it like this, so you shouldn't". Being a Network Administrator, you of all people should know that problems are sometimes hit and miss. How many times have you seen 10 identical desktops and 1 is having problems for no reason whereas the other 9 are fine. Or if you have ever deployed an app via GPO, and 99 out of 100 machines take it, but the other 1 it does not deploy to. There may be a difference in the way I set my server up from yours. My network environment is likely different. I could have chosen different options in the Symantec GUI. Fact is, you don't have a clue how my environment is set up, so put a sock in it unless you have something truly useful to say. And calling me names really hurts my wittle feewings. I think I am going to run to my room and cry for a while. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:52 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. If that were the case Ben, those of us who run Symantec products both against the mailstore and as file based would have problems, would we not? No problems here... Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** -----Original Message----- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Thanks, John. I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way. I've seen so many posts here and elsewhere blindly recommending to folks that they should run eseutil and/or isinteg, etc., when the poster has no clue how powerful those tools are or what they really do. I'm not inferring that's what you did, but that is where I am coming from. I will take a closer look at the store, but I am still of the opinion that the Symantec product is at fault. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, etc) then the server starts working again when you take the product off, you should look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have developed. In this case, your message databases. -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the database. John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to make that assumption? I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of any kind that point to any database errors. The problem has not re-occurred since removing the AV software. Like I said before, I did not have the file-level AV scanning the databases. If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, back it up with the reasons why. Not just saying you think I have database corruption. Tell me why you think I have corruption. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Ben: Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought about running maintenance on the server? John Matteson Geac Corporate ISS (404) 239 - 2981 Atlanta, Georgia, USA. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange Discussion List Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server a couple of times. I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since. And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr directories with file-based scanners. Now, we are only running 2. SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop. Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems. My current assignment has me at a place where they are comfortable with desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also protect the IS stores too. 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