What was a reasonable question? I totally missed that. John's original post said he thought I ought to consider running maintenance (usually eseutil or isinteg). No reasoning why. I don't like to run powerful maintenance tools against my server unless I have a good reason why. I asked John to tell me why he thought I should run maintenance and he responded with why he thought there was a possibility that I had a problem with my store. I haven't seen John post anything that says I was too defensive. Quite the contrary. When I responded asking him to state why he thought I had corruption (or possible corruption), he responded with why. For that I responded back and thanked him for his thoughts. Had you posted something useful or well though out, I likely would have responded the same way.
Ben Winzenz Network Engineer Gardner & White (317) 581-1580 ext 418 -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:05 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. Well his attitude says otherwise. Very defensive to what seemed like a reasonable QUESTION, not a directive. When I noted that defensiveness he jumps down my throat? The world doesn't need any more loose cannons like this. I have ploinked the fool. Any further discussions about him can be private, but don't pollute the message list further. Thank you, Mitchell D. Lawrence Network Administrator/Systems Analyst **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** -----Original Message----- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:02 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. I can say with absolute certainty that Ben is *not* an a-hole. He did learn a few too many things from me[1], but he's not an a-hole. -------------------------------------------------------------- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. [1] A few of which were actually good > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:57 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > > What an asshole > > Thank you, > Mitchell D. Lawrence > Network Administrator/Systems Analyst > **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > Bite me. If I told you that you should run eseutil on your databases > just because "I" think your database is corrupt, without any reasoning > why I thought it was corrupt, would you? I certainly won't. > > John responded to my response with what seemed to be a well though out > answer. You, however, seem to have no clue. > > > Ben Winzenz > Network Engineer > Gardner & White > (317) 581-1580 ext 418 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: > Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:35 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) > Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > > He did seem a bit defensive didn't he? > > Thank you, > Mitchell D. Lawrence > Network Administrator/Systems Analyst > **<Good|Cheap|Fast> (Pick Two)** > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > I understood that you had not scanned the Exchange files with a file > based AV product. However, if you have a product that runs for a long > time, then suddenly stops working (locking up the server, > etc) then the > server starts working again when you take the product off, you should > look at the points of intersection as to where a problem may have > developed. In this case, your message databases. > > -1018 errors don't have to be recorded to have a problem inside the > database. > > John Matteson > Geac Corporate ISS > (404) 239 - 2981 > Atlanta, Georgia, USA. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM Posted To: Exchange > Discussion List > Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > > I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to > make that assumption? I have no 1018 errors, I have no event logs of > any kind that point to any database errors. The problem has not > re-occurred since removing the AV software. Like I said before, I did > not have the file-level AV scanning the databases. > > If you are going to make a claim such as I should run maintenance, > back it up with the reasons why. Not just saying you think I have > database corruption. Tell me why you think I have corruption. > > > Ben Winzenz > Network Engineer > Gardner & White > (317) 581-1580 ext 418 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) > Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > > Ben: > > Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought about > running maintenance on the server? > > John Matteson > Geac Corporate ISS > (404) 239 - 2981 > Atlanta, Georgia, USA. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:28 AM Posted To: Exchange > Discussion List > Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > > We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product > for Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the > server a couple of times. I can't prove it was Symantec, but I > removed all AV off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem > since. And yes, I'm not stupid enough to scan the Exchsrvr > directories with file-based scanners. Now, we are only running 2. > SAV for SMTP Gateways, and Desktop. > > > Ben Winzenz > Network Engineer > Gardner & White > (317) 581-1580 ext 418 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM > Posted To: Exchange (Swynk) > Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection. > > > I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email > systems. > My current assignment has me at a place where they are > comfortable with > desktop and a set of SMTP servers doing virus and spam. Desktop is > Symantec and Trend on the SMTP servers. My gut feeling is to also > protect the IS stores too. 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