Or a Happy Hanukkah or Merry Kwanza to those of us who observe one of
them...

Only a handful here will get the reference, but I had occasion to share the
story of Peter Frampton and the Rabbi last weekend....

Roger
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Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sander Van Butzelaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:48 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> Sorry, all out. I have one hallelujah left though ...:-) It's nearly
> Christmas!
> 
> Sander 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Fretz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 11 December 2003 03:40 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> Can I get an "Amen"!
> 
> Eric Fretz
> 
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> ComCept Division
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> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:38 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> I think what is at issue here is that in the past you have 
> spent time in
> this group bashing on the major posters, a number of which 
> are MS MVP's.
> You
> insult us by calling us unethical as we have accepted small gifts from
> MS as
> part of our MVP status. And though you may not believe it, most of us
> are
> not here for those gifts. The time spend working in the public groups
> costs
> us far more than a trinket from MS. For some reason known only to you,
> our
> helping others and receiving recognition for MS makes us less ethical
> than
> others. Please, you don't have to explain yourself again. We 
> have heard
> it a
> dozen times at least. Then you come in and ask for help from 
> essentially
> those same people.
> 
> I would hope you could understand that after a large amount of bashing
> by a
> person, those same folks may be much less inclined to help or offer a
> kind
> word to you. While what you say is what you believe, you can also
> understand
> that others may find your opinion hurtful or demeaning. But next time
> you
> notice that cool new function in Exchange that people have been asking
> for,
> you may want to stop and wonder if that function is there because some
> MVP's
> listened to your wants and needs and made a suggestion to MS 
> to add that
> to
> this new version.
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> Here's a perfect example of people picking fights just to pick fights.
> Let
> me break this down for you. 1. I posted a question to a community that
> is
> supposedly there to help one and all, a community I helped build 2. I
> get a
> rude reply from Ed 3. I brush this off and simply tell Ed to play nice
> 4. I
> get another, even ruder reply 5. I post a reply back asking why the
> continued rude behavior. I posted this because I honestly don't know
> what
> the problem is and am interested in at least achieving a civil
> relationship
> between Ed and I. We don't have to be buddies, but we can at least be
> civil.
> Yes, I have moved on from our differences of opinion, it is 
> not anything
> that I am losing sleep over, believe me. But this does not 
> somehow mean
> that
> I cannot extend an offer of civility.
> 
> The real question is why wouldn't I respond to rude behavior with an
> offer
> of civility? I try to find some middle ground of civility and all you
> want
> to do is fight and nit-pick over words and try to make trouble. That's
> too
> bad, I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
> 
> > "Why a difference of opinion on a single subject causes you to
> > continually complain and be rude is beyond my ability to 
> comprehend. I
> 
> > would prefer if you found it within yourself to get over 
> it, move on 
> > and be civil. I have."
> > 
> > I just have one question about this. If you've moved on, 
> then why did
> > you feel the need to respond?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Greg Deckler
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:55 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, I have a fundamental, philosophical problem with the 
> MVP program.
> 
> > Regardless of any direct compensation in the form of nik naks, etc. 
> > the bestowing of honorary titles is a perk and is more valuable to 
> > some than a monetary reward. Hence, in my opinion, it is a 
> conflict of
> 
> > interest and not something that professional IT personnel should 
> > engage in. At one point back around the 1996/1997 timeframe I was 
> > offered MVP status and turned it down because of this.
> > 
> 
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