Dude, STFU
 --steve



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> 
> Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics 
> are designed to
> define the ceiling.
> 
> No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things 
> that people
> seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a
> spokesman, I have an opinion.
> 
> I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is 
> talk, talk,
> talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see 
> you make an
> intelligent comment or argument yet.
> 
> > A personal attack from me goes sooooo much deeper, but I'll 
> leave that be.
> > On to bigger and brighter things!!!
> > 
> > >>"And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that 
> a company's
> > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and 
> doctors follow
> > are also not laws."
> > 
> > Oh really!
> > 
> > >>"This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or 
> in part, deciding
> > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, 
> not a legislative
> > body."
> > 
> > Now we're getting somewhere!!!  Tell me Greg, are YOU the 
> spokesman for the
> > IT industry?  Does the IT industry have "party" 
> affiliations?  Are Ed and
> > the rest of the MVP's the "Liberal's" in this case where you're the
> > "Conservative"?  Who voted you to be the spokesman for the 
> IT industry and
> > why didn't I/we get to vote?
> > 
> > >>"Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something 
> that you have not
> > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your
> > criticism,...(bunch of other shinola)"
> > 
> > Not educated on Ethics?  Oh, I'm very educated in many 
> things, IT just
> > happens to be one of them.  I'm just interested in how you 
> came to these
> > conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and 
> anyone else who
> > follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them...
> > 
> > NEXT!
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > 
> > What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest 
> in your criticism.
> > 
> > And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's
> > employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and 
> doctors follow
> > are also not laws.
> > 
> > This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in 
> part, deciding
> > what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, 
> not a legislative
> > body.
> > 
> > Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that 
> you have not
> > bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your 
> criticism, have
> > nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake of 
> arguing. So, that
> > being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win. Happy?
> > 
> > > Oh, that was not a personal attack...  And I don't lose 
> arguments...
> > > 
> > > I tell ya what.  You find me the documentation to support 
> your claim 
> > > for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you.  
> I'll need 
> > > actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a 
> consortium of 
> > > some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on 
> this subject.  
> > > Please provide these details in a time stamped format so 
> I can see at
> > > what point in time these laws went into effect...
> > > 
> > > There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical 
> > > violation, right?
> > > 
> > > Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise 
> > > migration since it might get those of us who are not 
> MVP's nominated 
> > > for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist 
> you.  So, 
> > > please stop asking for help as the answers we provide 
> will be unethical in
> > nature...
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > > 
> > > Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that 
> someone has lost
> > > an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a 
> wife beater,
> > > a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep 
> learning 
> > > things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list.
> > > 
> > > > You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you...  You 
> should have
> > > > asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you 
> some brain 
> > > > cells to operate with...
> > > > 
> 
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