Yes, we did a phenomenal job for Marathon and Microsoft, without or
knowledge, chose to include us in their case study about Marathon.

> http://www.infonition.com/marathon.shtml
> 
> Interesting. =20
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:31 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> >=20
> >=20
> > As a Microsoft Partner, does your company get any freebies?
> >=20
> > =20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:18 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> >=20
> > Alright, this is a good question. Bottom line is that if, as=20
> > the hiring
> > body, you don't care then ethics are irrelevant in your=20
> > decision and you do
> > what you want. Ethics do not have to be the end all, be all=20
> > of decision
> > making. And, it is also absolutely not the case that MVP's will always
> > recommend Microsoft software for their own personal gain.
> >=20
> > You are exactly correct, you have final say about what you=20
> > feel is and is
> > not relevant about your hiring decisions. But, this does not=20
> > change the
> > situation that the MVP title is a real or perceived conflict=20
> > of interest.
> > Of course it is, but whether or not you care is up to you.
> >=20
> > > My company, Consolidated Widgets, Inc., has previously decided to =
> =3D=20
> > > standardize on MS software at all levels.  When it comes=20
> > time to make=20
> > > hiring =3D decisions, whether for FTEs or for conslutants,=20
> > how should I=20
> > > proceed?  Let's take =3D the example of an Exchange=20
> > deployment project.=20
> > > =3D20
> > >=20
> > > First thing to be decided:=3D20
> > > Do I want a generic technologist?
> > > Do I want an unrelated technology guru?
> > > Do I want a Windows/Exchange guru?
> > >=20
> > > Assuming I choose the last option:
> > > Do I want someone who has heard of Exchange and may be able to help=20
> > > with =3D my deployment after reading some books?
> > > Do I want someone who is an expert, and can demonstrate their=20
> > > expertise somehow?
> > >=20
> > > The demonstration of the expertise is all that the MVP=20
> > status is, IMO. =20
> > > =3D You don't attain MVP status by sending in a bunch of cereal box=20
> > > tops, as one =3D can do to get an MCSE. =3D20
> > >=20
> > > You whole premise is that an employee/conslutant with an MVP will=20
> > > automatically recommend technology from their masters *for=20
> > their own =3D=20
> > > personal gain*.  I don't see this being the case.  If I'm hiring Ed=20
> > > (to use him =3D as an
> > > example) to help with my Exchange migration, I've already=20
> > made the =3D=20
> > > decision to use that MS technology.  At that point, I want the best=20
> > > person I can =3D find and afford.  Why hire a consultant, if not for =
> 
> > > their knowledge?
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> >=20
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