"I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people seem
to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up" and to which you keep
responding.

"I am not a spokesman, I have an opinion."  However misguided it may be.

"I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk,
talk..."  That's all you do, too.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5

Yes, really. Laws are designed to define the floor. Ethics are designed to
define the ceiling.

No, I am simply someone that has a particular view of things that people
seem to be utterly fascinated with and keep bringing it up. I am not a
spokesman, I have an opinion.

I have come to my conclusions about you because all I see is talk, talk,
talk in your posts but nothing substantive. I have yet to see you make an
intelligent comment or argument yet.

> A personal attack from me goes sooooo much deeper, but I'll leave that be.
> On to bigger and brighter things!!!
> 
> >>"And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's
> employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors 
> follow are also not laws."
> 
> Oh really!
> 
> >>"This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, 
> >>deciding
> what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not a 
> legislative body."
> 
> Now we're getting somewhere!!!  Tell me Greg, are YOU the spokesman 
> for the IT industry?  Does the IT industry have "party" affiliations?  
> Are Ed and the rest of the MVP's the "Liberal's" in this case where 
> you're the "Conservative"?  Who voted you to be the spokesman for the 
> IT industry and why didn't I/we get to vote?
> 
> >>"Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have 
> >>not
> bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your 
> criticism,...(bunch of other shinola)"
> 
> Not educated on Ethics?  Oh, I'm very educated in many things, IT just 
> happens to be one of them.  I'm just interested in how you came to 
> these conclusions, actual facts to backup your statements, and anyone 
> else who follows your beliefs if that is what you want to call them...
> 
> NEXT!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> 
> What was it then, a compliment? You cannot even be honest in your
criticism.
> 
> And ethics are not passed as laws. There is no law that a company's 
> employees cannot accept gifts. The ethics that lawyers and doctors 
> follow are also not laws.
> 
> This discussion is about the IT industry, as a whole or in part, 
> deciding what is and is not ethical. We, as an industry, do that, not 
> a legislative body.
> 
> Look, it is obvious that you are discussing something that you have 
> not bothered educate yourself on, are not being honest in your 
> criticism, have nothing to say and simply want to argue for the sake 
> of arguing. So, that being said, yes, you are brilliant and you win.
Happy?
> 
> > Oh, that was not a personal attack...  And I don't lose arguments...
> > 
> > I tell ya what.  You find me the documentation to support your claim 
> > for our industry and I might be inclined to believe you.  I'll need 
> > actual laws passed by Federal/Local Governments or a consortium of 
> > some kind AND any cases that were brought to trial on this subject.
> > Please provide these details in a time stamped format so I can see 
> > at what point in time these laws went into effect...
> > 
> > There ARE laws on the books regarding this perceived ethical 
> > violation, right?
> > 
> > Everyone should probably cease assisting you with your Groupwise 
> > migration since it might get those of us who are not MVP's nominated 
> > for such things and it would be unethical of us to assist you.  So, 
> > please stop asking for help as the answers we provide will be 
> > unethical in
> nature...
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:34 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: Migrating from GroupWise 6.5
> > 
> > Personal attacks are generally the clearest sign that someone has 
> > lost an argument and has nothing better to say. So now I am a wife 
> > beater, a liar, I starve children and I get beat up a lot. I keep 
> > learning things about myself that I never knew before, I love this list.
> > 
> > > You got beat up a lot in High School didn't you...  You should 
> > > have asked them (while being beaten to a pulp) to leave you some 
> > > brain cells to operate with...
> > > 

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