Oh for the love of God will you take this crap off list... Are you really this challenged that you need to blow your own horn in a virual pissing match on a mailing list? Open a window, stick your head out and breathe the fresh air... Might do you some good.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics You can be offended all you want, it does not change the FACT that accepting a direct gift from a vendor creates an obvious problem with basic conflict of interest rules. I don't make these rules up all I have stated is that a real or perceived conflict exists. If the argument held no water, then there would be no reason to be offended. > It's not exactly a gift. It's a recognition for a contribution pefrormed. > There are, admittedly, strings attached, although there are none that > I consider to be ethical issues. > > I completely resent your entire assertion that I am somehow unethical > because I accept the title and gifts associated with being an MVP. I > will defend my standards of ethics against anyone's, including your > poorly defined and indefensible set. In fact, I was nearly fired from > my current job because I defended ethical behavior, but the system > worked and I am still here. (This was completely unrelated to > anything surrounding Microsoft or MVP.) > > So, let's get back to the real argument. Please either (1) prove how > being an MVP is unethical, or (2) go away and let this thread rest. I > tire of your repeated extrapolations, digressions, and > less-than-brilliant treatises. > > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP > Freelance E-Mail Philosopher > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Deckler > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:51 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > The flaw here is that that "Cisco Certified" has clearly defined > things that must be met and requires a payment to the vendor to > achieve. You must PAY to get the required material. You must PAY to > take the tests. You must PAY for the certification. > > MVP is a gift. There are no explicit requirements and there is no > exchange of currency. > > This is the CLEAR difference between certifications and gifts like MVP. > > > Titles based on criteria that has been successfully met, as in MVP > > or Cisco Certified, etc., has no ethical issues. It is an earned > > title that denotes an area of expertise. It is up to those who view > > the title to determine if the criteria for getting the title > > warrants a level of trust and respect. > > > > Personal gifts from vendors that you make purchasing decisions > > regarding is unethical. > > > > Rules of ethics are necessary in this business. > > > > Ceaselessly arguing in order to have the last word is poor use of > > brain power, poor use of this list and poor use of ethics. Anyone > > whose priority is to *always* win the "fight" must sacrifice the > > truth and good judgment, thereby violating basic ethics. > > > > Just another opinion :-) > > > > Best Regards,=20 > > > > Dan Bartley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Deckler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:24 > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Greg's Utterly Fascinating Views on Ethics > > > > I got to the first paragraph in your post and pretty much quit > > reading.=20 > > _________________________________________________________________ > List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm > Web Interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode > =&lang > =english > To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________________ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchange&text_mode=&lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
