My words are offensive??? ::removes contacts, cleans them, puts them back in, re-reads my email::
Um, how are they offensive?? I didn't curse; I didn't resort to name-calling; I didn't even get too worked up. I also didn't mention anything about viral infection. I'm interested in knowing what was so offensive about that & if you thought *that* was offensive, you must *really* think Don Ely's posts are offensive!! [1] [1] Hi, Don! *Hug* -Mich�le Immigration site: <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com> Our new 2001 Miata: <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley> Tiggercam: <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk> --------------------------------------------------------- What does this button do? - Famous Last Words --------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind. Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't have them. In order to get mail you make the choice: 1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange. 2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client and control the outbreaks. You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are valid reasons to use them. Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no. Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available, only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP connectors are crap. NO. Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail There is information here: <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm> about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap. You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm comfortable with the product." That's like saying, "I've run with scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running with them now." Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server? If your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself. PS: Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse. My company is a small shop. We NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before we had a full-time internet connection. Now that we have a FT connection, we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com). Size of shop is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way. -Mich�le Immigration site: <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com> Our new 2001 Miata: <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley> Tiggercam: <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk> --------------------------------------------------------- HA HA HA HA!!! --------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports it. On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got a response. Thanks for the response. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: pop mail Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with. The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that. But finding a provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution. Missy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: RE: pop mail Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason for it's use? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: pop mail They're crap. William is correct. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: RE: pop mail Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS). Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware - it just depends on the company. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail POP is a client protocol. It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP delivered mail does. In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should actually go to the CEO. How does your POP connector handle that? POP connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops. POP connectors are crap. William -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM Subject: RE: pop mail While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support it. My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it. In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a POP3 connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement. It depends on your environment and requirements. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: pop mail There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us got together and I was voted the one to ask: Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling it an email client? POP3 connectors don't even work. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregg To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM Subject: pop mail Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried popcon but is there any others?? 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