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-----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail Are you saying, it's not the size of your 'shop', but what you do with it that counts? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail There is information here: <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm> about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap. You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm comfortable with the product." That's like saying, "I've run with scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running with them now." Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server? If your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself. PS: Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse. My company is a small shop. We NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before we had a full-time internet connection. Now that we have a FT connection, we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com). Size of shop is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way. -Mich�le Immigration site: <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com> Our new 2001 Miata: <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley> Tiggercam: <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk> --------------------------------------------------------- HA HA HA HA!!! --------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports it. On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got a response. Thanks for the response. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: pop mail Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with. The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that. But finding a provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution. Missy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: RE: pop mail Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason for it's use? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: pop mail They're crap. William is correct. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: RE: pop mail Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS). Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware - it just depends on the company. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax -----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: pop mail POP is a client protocol. It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP delivered mail does. In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should actually go to the CEO. How does your POP connector handle that? POP connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops. POP connectors are crap. William -----Original Message----- From: Clark, Steve To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM Subject: RE: pop mail While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support it. My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it. In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a POP3 connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement. It depends on your environment and requirements. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
