David Woodhouse wrote: > On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 13:35 +0100, Mark Kubrick wrote: > >> It seems nigh on the impossible to find a straightforward explaination of >> installing MailMan and having it work with Exim (OS is Fedora). Can anybody >> help? I am do sick of reading about UID/GIDs, transports and directors and >> getting nowhere. All I want is a mailing list! >> > > Hm, perhaps I should be shipping an example of how to use mailman in the > default Fedora config. > > Then again, I don't really want to diverge _too_ far from the standard > config. I don't want to end up with something as baroque as Debian's > setup. > > Perhaps I should ship the exim package with its existing fairly basic > config (perhaps with some mailman stuff ifdeffed out), and then ship a > _separate_ all-singing, all-dancing exim config package which is capable > of just about everything? And perhaps that package could be based on the > Debian configuration stuff? > > Opinions? > > Over the last 18 months I've been working on 7 basic configs aimed at new users or converters from other MTAs. I pushed quite hard to get simpler configs or custom configs for new users and soon found that a massive majority of exim users think that the defualt config is excellent and shouldn't be changed/modified for a small percentage of newer and less experienced users.
I came to the conclusion that the majority of exim users are very proficient, but the small percentage of new users find it very hard to find simple documentation and howtos (please lets not start another war over this, it's just my opinion which could be completely wrong). I decided to write a few simple (but safe) configs and guides that could literally just be followed from start to finish to get somebody started instead of expecting them to be able to "fly solo" from day one. I'm still working on this after 18 months but hope to have completed them by the end of the year. My suggestion for your mailman configs would be to: - Include the mailman configs in the core exim distribution so every platform has access to the same configs and documentation. - Include them in an "examples" subdirectory to make them available to everyone without compromising or changing the existing config which everybody seems to like. This examples subdirectory could be part of the main installation (preferably) or downloaded separately. - If we do agree on an examples subdirectory then we also agree a structure for it to allow people to produce their own sets of examples with documentation independently of the main exim binaries, and preferably create a way for them to be reviewed by others before release. I think this would help pool together all of the exim config examples in an ordered manner. It allows flexibility and it doesn't impact the existing way exim is distributed (It would actually complement it). I posted something along these lines earlier in the year but did not get a decision one way or another. --- snip --- I would really like to see an examples directory that could be distributed along with exim (or downloaded separately if that suggestion is not popular, maybe in time for v4.7x) I would be happy to work with Nigel on this if nobody has any objections to me "championing" some extra documentation for new users and converters (without dumbing down or altering the current exim-users) --- snip --- Thanks Jason Meers -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/
