This all sounds remarkably familiar ... These UCEPROTECT people don't happen to be in Australia outfit run by a megalomaniac who's name I forget (sorry)
We had an argument when I worked at a tier 1 network. He blocked a whole /19 address range because he couldn't use RIPE and refused to back down so I blocked his entire range on the all advertised points after his business hosting customers could not get to anywhere in Europe anymore, he backed down. I must say it was nice to have BGP argue for me since e-mail wasn't working. Last I heard he had gone bust Wish I could remember his name Sorry for the off topic Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Eiloart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Zbigniew Szalbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "UCEPROTECT-Network Blacklistmaster of the day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [exim] UCEPROTECT Blacklists and why callouts are abusive > > > --On 17 October 2006 16:42:50 +0200 Zbigniew Szalbot > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, UCEPROTECT-Network Blacklistmaster of the day wrote: >> >>> As we explained on our website, we consider callouts abusive, because >>> they can make your system part of an ddos against others. >> >> That's in theory but I have my system setup in such a way that I do not >> use callouts. However, you are blocking my server lists.lc-words.com: >> >> TXT= "Net 83.19.0.0/16 is Level 3 listed at UCEPROTECT-Network. See >> http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=7&s=8"; > > To be fair, they do recommend that users don't block at level 3. > > I still think their listing criteria are dumb. The seem to use three > techniques: > > 1. People who bounce viruses with warning messages (actually, that's > fine). > > 2. People who use SRS. I'd like to use it for local people that ask to get > email forwarded from their local (sussex.ac.uk) address to a personal > address. I don't see how SRS can harm anyone when I do this. Perhaps such > email would never hit their honeypots, though. > > 3. People using sender verification callouts. They seem to think it's as > bad as sending email, but my sender verification callouts don't fill > mailboxes or server queues. And, they do stop lots of spam. > >> Problem is my server is 83.19.156.210 so you are blocking me and a whole >> IP range and it has NOTHING to do with callouts, sir. >> >> We have never sent a single spam and yet we have been blocked. Can you >> explain? Maybe others in the *.0.0/16 IP range have sent millions of spam >> emails, but we have not. >> >> In order to keep in touch with customers who requested information from >> us I daily have to deal with people like you, people blocking others >> without putting any thought into what you are doing. >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Zbigniew Szalbot > > > > -- > Ian Eiloart > IT Services, University of Sussex > > -- > ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users > ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ > ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/ > -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/
