Chris Edwards wrote: > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, David Woodhouse wrote: > > | On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 16:09 +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: > | > 1. People who bounce viruses with warning messages (actually, that's > fine). > | > | It's not fine to _bounce_ them -- they should be rejected. Generating > | bounces in responses to viruses is bad. > > I think Ian meant listing of people who bounce viruses is fine. > > > | Yeah, this is just the UCEPROTECT folks being muppets. I'm with Nigel; > | they're best ignored. > > The classic DNSBL argument! Assuming they are muppets, they will > ultimately be ignored, with few mail admins using them to block. If > however enough mail admins are using them to block as to cause pain to > those listed, then one might at least sit and think whether or not their > listing policy has some merit afterall. >
Not as they presently 'package' it. NFW! One - or even *many* bad-actors in a netblock *cannot* justify listing the entire block *unless* the block-holder has speciifed that MX shall not be run from within that block. Many *DSL / cable residential/SME bandwidth providers pre-emptively DO just that - see SORBS - as their ToS prohibits operating MX (and/or certain other) servers from those blocks anyway - (grant firewall rules would be better yet..) SORBS is, in this case doing both the ISP and the community at large a visibly useful service. Jugenbund UCEPROTECT, OTOH, is listing entire netblocks in a very different, and ultimately harmful, 'Catch-22' manner, as the responsibility for clearing the problem - and keeping it clear - cannot ordinarily be readily resolved with single-ISP or central-router firewall rulesets. Too many diverse 'necks' on their chopping block. One scheisspot hit every 6 days 23 hrs 59 minutes should take down a netblock for the next 7 days? Or 50 Euros per each go? Anybody here ever mis-type an IP? If you want 'draconian' just drop all rDNS fails, HELO mismatches, and (remaining) dynamic-IP sources - harming no one but your own user base. WTH - a bit of delay per each such hit and you won't even have to tell them *why* - most spambots will drop off the teat on their own. Bill -- ## List details at http://www.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/ ## Please use the Wiki with this list - http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/
