> -----Original Message-----
 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeroen van Aart
 > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:31 PM
 > To: Exim Users List
 > Subject: Re: [exim] Anti Phishing ACL
 > 
 > neil wrote:
 > > I have tried in the past to contact banks and ask about 
 > SPF, DKIM etc, 
 > > but I have had no reply.
 > 
 > Rightfully so. I wouldn't trust a bank who'd just comply to 
 > the whims of 
 > an individual emailing them about this or that random 
 > questionable feature.
 > 
 > > Yes I know that SPF etc breaks stuff <cue furious debate about 
 > > forwarding>, but I would have though that in the few cases 
 > where people 
 > > set up deliberate forwarding they could whitelist, versus 
 > the millions 
 > > of phishing mails sent each day.
 > 
 > Do you honestly believe that SPF or whatever is the newest 
 > fancy useless 
 > feature will prevent phishing even a tiny bit? I don't. SPF 
 > doesn't just 
 > break forwarding but can actually promote spam and spammers 
 > appear to 
 > have adopted it quickly: 
 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/03/email_authentication_spam/
 > 

One should not accept a message because SPF is passed, but one should surely
reject a message if SPF says fail. Would obviously not deter all phishing,
however if one wanted to pursue a phising site the very fact that their spf
records pass that host means the domain owner has accepted responsibility
for the email. But one thing SPF/DKIM/etc should help with joe-jobs. Nothing
bugs me more than getting a bunch of back-scatter when my SPF record states
exactly what hosts are allowed to send mail for my domain(s) and hard fails
all others (or dkim not used/invalid) and the email in question obviously
came from a comcast host.

Rick


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