On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:10:59PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote:
> > > this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had
> > fallen in love
> > > with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it
> > > comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and
> > machines that
> > > run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is
> > that crappy
> > > upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade!
> > >
> > > wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give
> > out a beta
> > > product.
> >
> > You must be somewhat mistaken. Perhaps you can give us some details
> > so that we can improve the next version or perhaps tell you how to
> > fix the problems you are having?
> >
>
> OBVIOUSLY you did not read my problem. I cannot install (CLEAN) on a machine
> that took 7.0 fine..
I did read your problem. Perhaps you should read it again. You say
"cannot install (CLEAN)" yet nowhere in the message above, quoted so
you can read what you wrote in the first place, doesn't once mention
the word "clean". Yes I see you wrote "... don't work and machines
that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1..", *that* I
understood. Nowhere did you mention clean. Perhaps if you'd like a
little help you could drop the attitude please?
> I also keep losing my mouse after adding the things for Wheel Mouse.
You never mentioned this before. Now we see one of the "problems"
you mention. Perhaps try downgrading your version of imwheel to the
version used in 7.0? Does that solve this problem? I can't say for
sure if it will or not, because I don't use a wheel mouse. And what
do you mean by "losing my mouse"? Does it disappear? Does it
freezer in one spot on the screen? How do you correct the problem?
Do you reboot? Do you log out then back in to get it to work again?
Do you restart the X server and it works?
> Wheel mouse does not set up automatically.
> You still have not found a way to get the correct amount of memory. I don't
> have that problem with windows or anything else. Pretty lame to have 256
> megs and the OS thins you have 64.
> My BIOS reports correctly, maybe there is problem in the program report but
> on my startup it shows correctly and none of the windows install ha a
> problem with it.
Yes, I've experienced this as well. One machine reports 64MB with
256MB installed. Another with 192MB installed is detected just fine.
Another with 128MB installed works just fine. I think you'll find
that Mandrake is not the only distribution with this problem. Yes,
it would be nice to have it work straight out of the box, I agree.
But is it really that difficult to tell Mandrake, during the install,
what size your memory is? It does set it up properly after that so
you don't need to change anything in /etc/lilo.conf in order for you
to recognize all that memory. It's one little step, and hardly
something worth crying over, and I'm sure it will be fixed shortly.
As far as the wheel mouse being setup automatically... is it
connected via PS/2 or USB? You have to remember that for a lot of
this hardware stuff, people have to reverse engineer drivers or write
their own in order to use them which makes Linux's compatability with
hardware sometimes tricky. Yes, it's gotten much better than it used
to be, but some areas, particularly newer technologies, still have
some difficulties. These are all things being worked on, as
hardware support is important and everyone knows this. If these
things do not work "out of the box" there typically is a reason, and
not just that someone feels like making you miserable.
> My desktop sucks. The ICON are partly hidden by the menu bar at the top.
So? Move them! When I installed, it made links for every connected
device... CD-ROMs, ZIP drives, etc. I don't want those icons on my
desktop so I delete them. You know, you *can* drag those icons
whereever you like. Also, if you click on the little arrows at
either end of the menu bar, the menu dissapears. Are your icons
still covered then?
> Many little things like this that do not happen in 7.0. I am pretty much
> ready to give up on 7.0 AND ON MANDRAKE if this does not improve soon. It
> is obviously tested but not enough. There a re TOO MANY people here having
> problems. You must not read them all.
You have to understand that programs have been updated since 7.0.
Some work differently from how they used to. This is called change,
progress, whatever you want to call it. I also think you should pay
more attention to what you write... I thought you said 7.0 was good?
Why do you want to "give up on 7.0" all of a sudden?
And yes, I read the problems on this mailing list. Updates have been
provided for the more severe problems, and anyone can feel free to
upgrade any package from cooker where a lot of the smaller problems
or annoyances have been fixed.
While I agree that the beta testing period for 7.1 could have been
longer, my experiences with 7.1 do not lead me to the same degree of
frustration as you. I don't have anything that doesn't work or can't
be resolved with a little bit of work on my behalf. I'm sure the
same applies with your problems as well.
> > FYI, I have installed 7.1 on three machines that used to run 7.0 and
> > in all instances 7.1 is working flawlessly. I didn't perform an
>
> AGAING , check my probvlems.
> Works on one and not on the other.
Really... maybe you should read what *I* write instead of being so
self-absorbed. I was giving you *my* experiences. 7.1 works
flawlessly for *me* on three different machines. What conclusion
does this lead me to? Well, while I don't have a wheel mouse, and
while I have the capability of re-organizing my desktop and typing in
three numbers during the install to give the installer the correct
amount of RAM in my machines (the one time it was not detected
correctly, which, FYI, 7.0 did not detect correctly either), I must
have done something right in order to happily run 7.1 while you are
having so many urgent problems that must be fixed ASAP or you will
give up on Mandrake. I'm betting that some of your problems have
been fixed in cooker. Feel free to download new packages for those
troublesome programs you have and give it a try. Let us know how
they work and if you can find your icons under your menu bar.
> Current Linux uptime: 10 days 15 hours 8 minutes.
>
> This is a useless statistic if it is not doing what you want, AND if you
> can't install in the first place.
Yes, but here is our difference. 7.1 IS doing what I want, AND I
could get it to install in the first place. So I guess a useless
statistic to you is not quite so useless to me, no?
> I have kept WIN98 OF ALL THINGS up longer than that.
Ooooohhh... so have I. It's not that difficult, as long as you don't
do anything with it. I've also had Mandrake running for nearly four
months before a power outtage forced a reboot. So what, really, is
your point?
My apologies if I sound a little annoyed but... I am. Your attitude,
quite frankly, is somewhat out of place and I don't understand it. Less the
wheel mouse problem, and unless there are more problems than those three you
pointed out, the other two are more annoyances than problems in my
book.
Did the lack of Mandrake detected the full amount of RAM and not
auto-detect a wheel mouse prevent you from completing an install? I
find that a little difficult to believe. What other problems did you
have during the install? There must have been something a wee bit
more problematic than that.
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