Greetings skidley,

<sarcasm>
   Firstly, I would like to thank you for your extremely helpful,
timely, and insightful response. Responses such as yours highlight the
sterling quality of on-line help that one sometimes encounters on the
'net.
</sarcasm>

   Secondly, on secure internal trusted networks with machines
connected by intelligent switches, ssh is far more work than a simple,
lowest-common-denominator approach such as telnet - especially when
dealing with a plethora of different platforms, OSs, OS revisions,
etc., etc., etc.

   If you truly have skads of free time, and have nothing better to
do, please give me a shout and you could install this on an awful lot
of systems, adminster them, explain to users how all of this works...
then see if you are still of the same mind.

   Do not presume to lecture about security and situations without
knowing + understanding (they *are* different things) background,
stipulations, conditions... As an example, for your edification, check
out:

        http://paris.cs.berkeley.edu/~dawnsong/ssh-timing.html

and
        http://slashdot.org/articles/00/12/18/0759236.shtml

and, last but not least:

        http://www.openwall.com/advisories/OW-003-ssh-traffic-analysis.txt

   Alas, this may be wasted time and bandwith - and also something
about pigs and singing comes to mind.

Regards,
        David

On Wednesday 14 November 2001 13:30, skidley wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, David Oberbeck wrote:
>
> Why does anyone use telnet anymore when there's ssh? I guess some people
> don't care about security or are just stupid or something.

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