While you express my sentiments exactly, please don't damn the rest of
us due to a sophomoric adolescent on the list...

Some people do try to help when possible.

I believe it was Robin Williams who said; "@#$&*holes do vex me!"

-JMS

|-----Original Message-----
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Oberbeck
|Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 4:47 PM
|To: skidley
|Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [expert] Arrrgh - Telnet Problems (Authentication?)
|
|
|Greetings skidley,
|
|<sarcasm>
|   Firstly, I would like to thank you for your extremely 
|helpful, timely, and insightful response. Responses such as 
|yours highlight the sterling quality of on-line help that one 
|sometimes encounters on the 'net. </sarcasm>
|
|   Secondly, on secure internal trusted networks with machines 
|connected by intelligent switches, ssh is far more work than a 
|simple, lowest-common-denominator approach such as telnet - 
|especially when dealing with a plethora of different 
|platforms, OSs, OS revisions, etc., etc., etc.
|
|   If you truly have skads of free time, and have nothing 
|better to do, please give me a shout and you could install 
|this on an awful lot of systems, adminster them, explain to 
|users how all of this works... then see if you are still of 
|the same mind.
|
|   Do not presume to lecture about security and situations 
|without knowing + understanding (they *are* different things) 
|background, stipulations, conditions... As an example, for 
|your edification, check
|out:
|
|       http://paris.cs.berkeley.edu/~dawnsong/ssh-timing.html
|
|and
|       http://slashdot.org/articles/00/12/18/0759236.shtml
|
|and, last but not least:
|
|       
|http://www.openwall.com/advisories/OW-003-ssh-|traffic-analysis.
|txt
|
|   Alas, this may be wasted time and bandwith - and also 
|something about pigs and singing comes to mind.
|
|Regards,
|       David
|


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