On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: > Piero Piutti wrote: >> I have just joined this mailinglist and I've noticed that one of the hottest >> topics is the "new look" rpmdrake. >> >> . . . >> >> Now it is very uncomfortable to use (at opposite of its predecessor which >> was 100% user-friendly). > > Honestly, and I'm not attempting to chastise or malign anyone here for > their opinions on this topic, but exactly is it thats so hard to use > when it comes to the new presentation of rpmdrake? all the mods are in > one place; they're easy to get to; they're presented in a clear and easy > to understand manner which allows the user to know exactly what tool is > being used to perform the task. The only thing I can possibly see is > that they're no longer "together" accessible from *one* interface. > > I must conclude then that all this trouble is based solely on the fact > that it's different, as in "not looking the same" thats causing all the > heartache over this. The tools still work the same, they're all still > using the same processes under the covers to get the job done. The added > benefit here is that to do an update, install, uninstall, ( I can't > remember now what the fourth things is) it's no longer necessary to have > "more" stuff running then is actually necessary.
Your "not looking the same" argument is baloney. I LIKE the look of the new Mandrake Control Center. What I miss is being able to tab back and forth between installed and uninstalled. As an end-user, not a programmer, I wasn't bothered by having "more stuff running than is actually necessary." I liked the convenience of that tabbing back and forth FUNCTION. > Let me stress here. The _ONLY_ thing that has changed here *is* the > look. nothing else that the user sees and/or uses has changed. All this > railing on the programmers and decision-makers is groundless and > childish. Notice here I am NOT labeling anyone who disagrees with my > viewpoint as being childish. I only mean to point out that a mountain is > being made out of a molehill. Being able to tab back and forth is to me a FUNCTION, not a look. And it seems to me you ARE labelling the people who disagree with you as childish. > Lets remember...this is _FREE_ software that is being released to the > public with no strings attached. Instead of bitching and biting the > hands that feed our appetites for more, newer, and better software we > should be happy and enjoying the diversity in the progression of this > distribution. They're not going to be able to totally please every > Mandrake user each and every time the next level is released. It's not a matter of bitching and biting. It's a matter of saying what we like and don't like. Surely that's not irrelevant to Mandrakesoft. If enough people don't like something, it might behoove them to consider changing it. As for the "no strings attached", last I heard Mandrakesoft was in business to make money, and in fact has been in some difficulty due to lack of same. In fact, as soon as that option was available I ordered the 9.0 powerpack, despite the fact that all those packages are available online and I have had 9.0 running on my computer for several weeks. > We should maybe look for and focus on something that is in "real" need > of improvement. > > I've seen this problem before. I'm a sysadmin/programmer where I work > and every time we make a signifigant change to something it's never a > good one in the eyes of the users as a whole. Plain and simple folks > just don't like change that doesn't happen to make immediate sense to > their way of thinking. However, when they're done bitchin and take the > time to actually make use the new things or the changes they ultimately > begin to see the logic and thought behind the change. Personally, I LIKE change. That's why I move to the next version as soon as possible. That's why I run all the betas and release candidates not on a spare, experimental machine, but on my one and only. I think the same is true of many other people on this list. I think you're doing me and them a disservice by ASSUMING they're against change instead of taking their argument seriously and trying to understand what it is that bothers them about the new rpmdrake. As an end-user I LOVE Mandrake 9.0 but I don't like the new rpmdrake as well as its predecessor. no, it's not THAT big a deal. I'm not going to go back to 8.2 over it. But I have an opinion, one that's apparently shared by quite a few others on this list, and I'm going to express it, your sneers notwithstanding. Dale Huckeby
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