On Sunday 16 March 2003 00:28, Pierre Fortin wrote: > On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:43:12 +0100 Benjamin Pflugmann > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri 2003-03-14 at 21:48:20 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Friday 14 March 2003 08:35 pm, Pierre Fortin wrote: > > > > Does Mdk even try just *starting* the applications included in a > > > > release? > > > > I am not sure they should. There are a lot of testers out there. And > > if none of them bothered to try the app *and* report problems, I would > > consider it reasonable to remove that app, because apparently nobody > > cares enough about it. > > That's plain wrong thinking... if Mdk wants to limit their sales to just > those who test/run Cooker, I might agree... BUT... they want to sell as > much as they can, and they really have no way of telling how people will > use the distro. If there are some applications that won't even *start*, > what does that say for Mdk QA??? After all, the distro is named "Mandrake > Linux", not "Linux By A Rag-tag Bunch of Cooker/Wannabe Testers Who Didn't > Have the Time or Inclination to Test All the Applications: Good Luck!"... >
If you are long enoushould know that it can running flawless and do not even start on another machine. So testing on some given machines would not mean it does work for you. (for whatever reason) That is why you should test it if you want have running it. So the statement you are doing is not valid. > > Well, I just installed it from current cooker (ohphone-1.3.5-1mdk) and > > could start it without problem. Did not include much testing, because > > I did not care to read the manual, but I can make it searching for > > something it calls "gatekeeper". :-) > > OK... THANK YOU! *that's* what I want to hear... but I still believe the > packagers should at least *start* whatever they are building -- there is > no other way to ensure the build is even usable. as stated above . What is needed is a good bugreport from you. > > I also searched the the bug database. Not a single entry for ohphone. > > Maybe there was a report directly on the cooker mailing list. > > For 9.0, I reported it, was even blamed for building it wrong, pointed out > I just installed it, got the impression it would be fixed, not! > You wouldn't be blamed for building it wrong if you are reporting it to cooker. Reporting it to cooker is what is needed. > > Anyhow, regarding the the late update, I would say: blame yourself. > > (I do not mean anyone particular with yourself here.) > > The first part sounds like flame-bait; but the 2nd... unable to grok. > > > Anyone can easily get a working ohphone by testing *and* reporting > > problems early. This process works. Really. > > Yup... you're right; but then, WHAT is the point of including broken apps > in a distro...? Maybe the cooker process would be a WHOLE LOT smoother if > the apps weren't just "make; throw over the fence and keep fingers > crossed..." > Invalid statement. They don't put not working apps in mandrake, the only thing is they can't know if it is working for you. One thing that might be true is that apps that are not that popular might be forgotten and things that are popular and well tested by "cookers" are working. The best example are in my eyes modem and isdn. I thing modem and isdn related things are not so important so they will not be tested so much. Even if you reporting bugs on not so popular things you will not be heared. I was complaining about isdn stuff for a long time. Without massive ranting and complaining you will not be heared in cooker and bugs in that area will have a long life. This might be true for ohphone too, I don't know. That currently really get on my nerves and: "> > I am not sure they should. There are a lot of testers out there. And > > if none of them bothered to try the app *and* report problems, I would > > consider it reasonable to remove that app, because apparently nobody > > cares enough about it." is not valid too or only if only "cooker"s will buy mandrake. As example isdn is wide spread in germany and germany is i guess not such a small market as long as mandrake does not think to let SuSE do their money here. ( I hate SuSE and so I wont use it, but I thought several times to switch to SuSE (because of the better isdn support) for my router (I even have the cd's here for installing it ). I will look at it for 9.2 if there improves things, but then I will give up on that.) -- Regards Steffen ____________________ counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 ____________________ Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks
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