On Monday 02 Jun 2003 8:30 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 13:32, Brian V Bonini wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 12:52, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > Also, before you move to 9.1, I suggest you review your reasons > > > for doing so. Are you looking for a more stable production > > > environment or are you curious and just have alot of time to > > > analyze 9.1. > > > > Are you saying 9.0 is more stable? > > Look, I'm in a real tough position here. First, I am and always > have been a supporter of Mandrake. I think they (as an entity) > have more potential than any other distro company I've seen; in > general, history has shown that the features of the Mandrake distro > are just ahead of the game, in nearly all respects. > > I don't want to say this, but I have to say it because it is the > truth. For users of 8.2 or maybe even 9.0 there is no cogent reason > to upgrade to 9.1, if you are seeking a stable production system. > The reasons I say this are myriad, but I'll cut it down to three or > four. One, there was not enough manpower focused on 9.1 to release > it as an improved distro over 9.0 or 8.2. This is demonstrable (at > least on my system, which *has not changed* since LM82) because > LM91 crashes and/or locks up, probably about an average of once per > day. (It is also slower.) 30 minutes ago I was examining email, > with no unusual activity going on, and XFree vaporized for no > reason that I could discern, taking several smaller apps with it to > their doom. That's just today. I won't say that LM82 never failed > me at all, but I will say that I have a very strong memory of LM82 > being about as stable as the crust of the planet Mars.
Which just goes to show how systems vary. On mine 9.0 was immaculate in install and extremely stable. > Plus, it > was faster. Not on my machine. 9.1 is the fastest by quite a bit. > > Second, it's been noted that there does not seem to be a formally > presented system for production distro bugs or problems. Prior to > the advent of 9.1 this was not a major issue, primarily because > (IMO) the releases were so pristine that there was not a major need > for one. The fact that there has been extensive discussion lately > for a report route for production bug reports should be telling. > Agreed, that there is a need. > Third, (mostly) because of the rpmdrake user interface (NOT the > urpmi improvements at the CLI level, which *are* good), I consider > LM82 to be better than either 9.0 or 9.1. It is most unfair to keep harping on this one. You were told openly that the decision to keep the separate interfaces was because the combined one was a nightmare to support. Do you really want something that is superficially what you want, but underneath a hopeless mess? I think not. If you like command line you will not care about the issue. If you want things gui and grouped, then mcc is not bad at all. Be fair. Having said that, 9.1 is a mixed bag for me. Some things are less stable than before. Others are much better. Anne
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