On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 05:49, Ken Thompson wrote:
> On Thursday 31 July 2003 07:45 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:57, Bill Mullen wrote:
> > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
> > > > Bill Mullen wrote:
> > > > >The question remains, "Why would anyone want to login to a full X
> > > > >session as root?" ...
> > > >
> > > > Because they want the convenience of full access to all files as with a
> > > > console prompt running as root without the need to know how to use the
> > > > command line.
> > >
> > > And su-ing to root in a terminal, and then running konqueror or nautilus
> > > or drakconf (or whatever) fails to provide this how, pray tell?
> > >
> > > Many people want many things which are not good for them in any way; I
> > > want no part of making those sorts of wishes any easier to satisfy.
> >
> > Bill said the same thing and look what we got .... winders.  No it's
> > like with my little guy.  Sometimes I have to let him fall down.. so
> > that he can learn to get up on his own again.  If the user knows root.
> > They can do the same damage no matter how they get to it.  period.  Tell
> > them  "If you do this you can hose your box." and walk away.  If you
> > don't want to help them in the first place... don't offer.  In for a
> > penny in for a pound.  Just don't ever tell me what I can or cannot do
> > with my computer.
> >
> > Rules I remember.
> >
> > 1.  If I offer to help and you say yes .... I don't get to complain
> > about helping you.
> > 2.  Stupidity in users is a 1 to 1 relationship with how far to the edge
> > of my knowledge they push me.
> > 3.  The person you are helping isn't that stupid... they got you to do
> > it for free didn't they.
> > 4.  Don't do it for them, tell them how to do it themselves, then when
> > they break it, show them how to get out of it.  They will never ask you
> > again to do something like this because they will either know how, or be
> > so lazy they don't want to go through doing it themselves again.
> > 5.  Whenever you idiot proof something the number one idiot you expose
> > is usually yourself.
> > 6.  If that idiot was so stupid he/she wouldn't have gotten around your
> > magnificent idiot proofing in the first place.
> > 7.  Never argue with a man carrying dynamite and a lit cigarette ... All
> > the no smoking signs in the world won't stop him from blowing himself
> > up. Run instead, and hope he doesn't follow.
> >
> > james
> Yay, Hooray, Clap Clap, Cheer, Whistle, Shout.
> Glad to see some good sense instead of another Microsoftisim.

Thank you kindly good sir.


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