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September 12, 2003 01:56 pm, David Rankin wrote:

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> I appreciate your response, and perhaps I was presumtive in my 100%
> suggestion. I do see your point. So why don't we all just declare the
> clean elegance of linux code and distributions dead. Let's all say
> "Hey, it's OK to start down the path of code bloat and incideous
> little processes running in the background to direct spam to my
> machine." Say "yes, I like the idea of pop-ups and spyware polluting
> my browser and desktop." And say yes to all the inconvenience just so
> someone can put another almighty dollar in thier pocket.
>
> Get real!

OK I will. Nobody has suggested there would be any data mining and 
automatic update and rotation of advertising related backgrounds/screen 
saver slide shows. I'd agree totally that I would be one of the first 
off the bus if this were to happen. But I didn't read those assumptions 
into that page.

As to the "Clean elegance of linux code.." and it's death; default 
screen-saver slide-shows and backgrounds are added at the whim of the 
distributions' developers and management under the GPL. 

What code corruption are we discussing? The kernel is GNU/Linux, 
Mandrake Linux is a distribution. I don't think any of the employees 
and management at MandrakeSoft are threatening to force you to run only 
their "advertising branded" .png files, or that you can't run the 
distribution on a compiled and customized vanilla kernel, do you? So 
what linux code are we on about?

> Many people look to linux to get away for just this type of annoying
> BS. Yes, I like and support mandrake. But I am UTTERLY APPAULED at
> the premise and idea of including incestuos slutty advertising in the
> mdk distribution. Mdk was a great distro long before the
> "corporatization" and focus on $ became its fixation. In my eyes, and
> I will say in the eyes of "many" others, the inclusion of unwanted
> and unsolicited ads, in any form, no matter how easily removed is
> unacceptable that will make mdk a distribution I would no longer
> choose to be a part of or support.

I'm one of the people that came to GNU/Linux in general, and Mandrake 
Linux in specific, in order to regain control of what I paid for. That 
hasn't changed, and until it does I'll keep advocating and using this 
distribution.

This is still a great distribution IMHO and a few fscking pictures 
aren't going to change that. That's my opinion, no one else has to 
agree. 

That's one of the most wonderful things about Open Source Software and 
the community built on it. Choice. Would you prefer Mandrake Linux 
become another SuSe and have no download edition? Or would you like to 
only be able to run it because you bought a subscription? Mandrake 
Linux is still a totally GPL compliant distribution as far as I can 
see, and will be after they add some "detestable" advertising pictures 
that I can delete. So can you.

> Hooray for the marketing scum, they have finally found a way to
> pollute a linux distribution. I guess someone will get a nice fat
> check for that idea.

I still detest the product of "Schools of Business" and the "Masters of 
Business Administration" they've been producing for the past 25+ years. 
If they'd stop playing with models and get on with business there would 
be a lot less rancorous discussions such as this one in the world.

Especially over _free software_. So I suppose your sarcasm and cynosure 
toward marketing departments is another thing we share. 

As well as a good debate apparently. <g> Thanks David. <g>

Regards;
Charlie
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I hate it when my foot falls asleep during the day cause that means
it's going to be up all night.
                -- Steven Wright
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