On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:40, ed tharp wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 05:08, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:40, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > > T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200:
<snip>
> > If I pay a subscription fee for those channels, the commercials are not
> > acceptable.  I do not think I should pay to be forced to watch
> > commercials.
> I guess you don't get cable and have never seen discovery channel, cause
> they sure are a fee-subscription service, and they sure have some
> commercials. 
> 

I know such channels exist (although not in my country, here the paid
channels only have commercials for their own broadcasts, and they do not
interrupt movies/programs form them).
What I am saying is that I would not pay for such a channel if it
existed here, while I would be inclined to pay for an ad-free movie
channel.

> > So, if I pay for my boxed Mandrake distro, it should not contain ads.
> always did before, just adds for Mandrake services not 3rd party
> services. seems to me RH puts a LOT of adds for RH inc. in their distro
> too...
> 

Possible, but I don't use RH...


> > Now, in all fairness, it is the right of Mandrake as a company to do
> > this, but it is also the right of their users to switch distro if they
> > don't like this.
> sure, no one is begging you to stay a "loyal MDK freeloader", just
> debating if your reasoning is sincere.
> 
> 

As I stated (and others did so too), I protest ads in the *boxed*
version.  The download edition is something else.
I'm only on my second MDK release so far.  But I dropped SuSE after
buying *every* major release for 5 years because they became too
commercial for my taste.

> 
> >> 
> > Now, in a perfect world, Linux (and others) would be developped by
> > non-commercial institutions with government funding. 
> I DO NOT want any governmental involvement, and the smaller the better. 
> 
> >  It would be
> > completely free of commercial influences.
> 
> I doubt _anything_ in the US government is free of "commercial
> influences", and that goes for all 50 state governments and all county
> governments too...
> 

Possibly, but Mandrake is not in the US, an neither am I. 
I am not saying the time and circumstances are right for this now, but
in a perfect world, free software should be safeguarded against
commercial interference.
It should be government funded, yet not government controlled (I don't
trust politicians any more than I trust corporate drones).

> my suggestion to you would be to stick with free BSD, and any of the
> stuff you use with any company backing them, delete it right away.
> 
I did not state that company backing in this day and age turns me of a
system.  Although I do not like it, it is the way the world works right
now and I can't change that.
I am not going of Mandrake immediately (if ever), I will wait and see
how things progress.  If it stays with the ads in the announced form it
is still acceptable (yet I regret it came to this).



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