Re: Art Dave Gill take note...I think we've just found the Committee Chairman for the "F5 Liaison Committee".
Now to select maybe 4 or 6 (?)members from the driver and builder ranks. Do I see any hands out there????? Louie Schultz Philly Region > Jim, > > I'm glad you have calmed down before you decided to post additional > statements. But I really think you should have waited much longer :-). > > ".....ADEQUATE warning"? > > What do you think Tony's post was about? What would you have preferred, a > private message from Bombardier addressed to "Jim"? Perhaps you should email > Bombardier and suggest to them that there was a "....serious lack of > communication" when they decided to discontinue the 493. I'm sure they would > be interested in hearing your viewpoint. I'll even help you out with their > address if you wish :-). > > ".....he could have communicated many more times and in stronger terms long > ago in order to get this group's attention (this can be a hard thing to do). > He could have acted as a stronger liaison between the F500 group and Rotax > management...." > > Communicate what Jim? That his crystal ball said Bombardier was going to > discontinue the 493 on December 31, 2006? This is amusing. And Jim, you have > no idea what his relationship was with Bombardier and how much he supported > the production of this engine for our use. All your statements addressing > this issue are pure conjecture on your part and totally flawed. > > Your putting up with what I said or not is of course, your choice. But, if > you make statements in a public forum that are outlandish or not based upon > facts, you should expect to be called on them. There was no emotion involved > with what I said and none now. I don't respond to folks under those > conditions. I was just responding to the points you made with serious intent > of suggesting that you were flirting with reality. > > Your comments posted tonight concerning Tony's involvement with Rotax, SCCA, > and this list are based upon misinformation and illusion. You are certainly > entitled to your opinion but if you really believe that Tony never tried to > further cement his relationship with SCCA or with this list, or constantly > talked about our needs with Rotax, you are sadly mistaken. Ignoring his past > appearances at the National Runoffs to help Rotax people, his letters to > Topeka offering help or support, his supplying Topeka with Rotax parts, > engines, schematics and printed information on part numbers etc., his > periodic posts to this list, and his almost daily private conversations with > F5 members is incredulous. With the exception of his private communications > with folks, SCCA totally ignored most of his past offers of assistance or > help. This was very disconcerting to Tony but nevertheless true. > > I'm sure Tony will be very pleased to know that you think he hasn't done > much to help or support F5 folks interested in the Rotax 493. He has tried > everything to encourage use of this engine accept floating loans for people. > Wait a minute, I take that back. Last year he did offer to finance people > who might be interested in buying the engine :-). > > Offering just another mention of his total support for the 493 in SCCA would > be his "donation" of the first 493 to Don Clar for initial testing. He > didn't have to do that. He could have just sat back and let the F5 folks > figure out their future by themselves. But their own engine for testing. It > goes on but I don't think you care to hear it. > > Tony will never comment on any of this on a public forum, but if you call > him, perhaps, just perhaps, he'll speak to you even though you have insulted > him and have tried to downgrade his helpfulness. Then again, ......maybe he > won't :-). > > Bottom line here Jim is that I grow tied of this conversation and providing > daily chuckles to folks. If you want to take this off list and give all the > others a break, you know my email address. You can scream at me all you want > or make all the statements you want. Nothing will change much, but from my > perspective, at least I'll be able to tell you how I really feel :-). > > Art > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [F500] Art, I have to disagree > > Art, > I have waited awhile to respond to you as I needed to calm down after > reading your emotionally charged terms - "laughable . . . ridiculous . . . . > crying to Stan" - these have no place in this discussion list and, yes, I > know that it is violated almost every day but I am not putting up with it. > Now, back to what I said and your reaction to it: > 1. I was reacting to the 493 discontinuance announcement that had no > ADEQUATE warning - this is a serious lack of communication. > 2. Although Tony (and I like Tony, personally) could not have prevented it, > he could have communicated many more times and in stronger terms long ago in > order to get this group's attention (this can be a hard thing to do). He > could have acted as a stronger liaison between the F500 group and Rotax > management about this situation in getting our group to buy more motors and > in pleading our side of the story to Rotax along with being the messenger > between the two. > 3. A prime management principle that I have always operated by is "due > diligence" and in this case it means gathering all the relevant evidence > and talking with all affected parties (F500 is the ONLY party here as there > is no other market) BEFORE making any decision. This was obviously not > done so I called it as I see it, thus no apology is due. > > Now, we move on to looking at the long term approach of ensuring a good > supply of motors. > > Yes, I also like Dave Gill's committee proposal. > > Jim ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
